Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii? (Read 51073 times)

bubba808

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2015, 04:28:40 PM »
Hawaiians that are against America dont renounce  their citizen ship cuz it would mean they would need to leave their island home.

The better question is... why wont "visitors" (like Q) that aren't happy with Hawaii's Anti-American residents leave the islands.  Just STFU and leave. 

And if you not happy with Hawaii's 2A laws and the process to change them, stop whining like a little girl and do everyone a favor and beat it.   You are free to go, please.

Q

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2015, 05:25:17 PM »
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Q

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2015, 05:34:32 PM »
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ren

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2015, 05:53:02 PM »
Aloha Q & Ren,

"Ren : Kuleana, why wont you renounce your USA citizenship?

EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO KNOW"


Here is my answer.

When China was occupied by the Mongols, what did all the Chinese do?  The Chinese became legal unwilling subjects of the Mongol Empire and I am sure the Mongols did not care if they left China forever, but what happened?  THEY DID NOT ALL RENOUNCE THEIR CITIZENSHIP AND LEAVE; THEY KEPT THEIR LEGAL STATUS FOR CONVENIENCE AND JUST WAITED FOR THEIR TIME TO THROW THE MONGOLS OUT.  And why did they do it this way?  BECAUSE CHINA WAS THEIR HOME!

The same can be said for the Spanish colonization of the Philippines and India under the British Empire.  Did all the Filipinos renounce their status as subjects of Spain or the Indian people renounce their British legal status?  NO, THEY DID NOT.  What did they do then?  They both did as the Chinese did and kept their cause for liberalization alive till the time came when they could reclaim their homeland.

I am sure many in India asked Gandhi to renounce his British citizenship during his anti-British campaign and, correct me if I am wrong, but he never did.  If true, would anyone question his decision?  If Gandhi hated the British occupation so much, why did he not just pick-up and leave?  BECAUSE INDIA WAS HIS HOME!

I AM A KANAKA MAOLI AND HAWAII WILL ALWAYS BE MY HOME!



Kuleana

So you're on a pro-firearms/enthusiast forum and you're waiting for an opportunity to kick the US govt. out of Hawaii but you don't want to renounce your UNITED STATES citizenship. There are millions who would like to have it - so for the sake of the world give it up. Don't know what's the problem. You're a native Hawaiian and don't recognize this current Hawaii govt. as legit. Shred it. Take a pic and post it here.

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Kuleana

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2015, 06:18:22 PM »
Aloha Ren,

"So you're on a pro-firearms/enthusiast forum and you're waiting for an opportunity to kick the US govt. out of Hawaii..."

Please do not put words in my mouth.

If you had the courtesy of reading my previous posts to you, I and many other people are waiting for the US Government to restore the Hawaiian Kingdom Government as prescribed by the Restoration Agreement signed by President Cleveland in 1894.

I never called for any act of violence, a movement to forcibly overthrow the US Government, or in your words, kick the govt. out of Hawaii.



Kuleana

ren

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2015, 06:28:43 PM »
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ren

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2015, 06:31:30 PM »
Aloha Ren,

If you had the courtesy of reading my previous posts to you, I and many other people are waiting for the US Government to restore the Hawaiian Kingdom Government as prescribed by the Restoration Agreement signed by President Cleveland in 1894

Kuleana

damn that's a long time awaiting
that's 121 years or 44165 days or 1,059,960 hours or 63,597,600 minutes

meanwhile here's moar


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Q

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2015, 06:56:54 PM »
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Kuleana

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2015, 08:38:54 PM »
Aloha Q,

"Guess things aren't as bad as you say if you are just sitting around, waiting for the 'oppressing government' to give you what you think is rightly yours."

What I think is not important.

It is the rule of law and strict adherence to that which is written is what is important.  Even though it has been nearly 122 years since the Restoration Agreement has been signed, those who still believe in the rule of law need to remain patient and vigilant.  This is no different than everyone on this forum who continues to fight for the 2nd Amendment included in a 227 years old document called the US Constitution.  While elements of society and parts of the US Government itself are making excuses to remove and/or create a restrictive situation that make gun ownership difficult, that has not affected those on this 2a forum from keeping the spirit of the 2a alive and well.



Kuleana

bubba808

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2015, 08:41:58 PM »

Hey bubba, glad to see you crawled out from under your rock after all this time!  :wave:

Oh, and I'm not a visitor. Maybe if you would like to meet at bench 80 to discuss this face to face, you can learn it first hand. Be sure to bring an ice pack.  :thumbsup:

hi Q  :shaka: wish I could say it was good to see you still living.  Keep chirping ... Hahaha Bench 80  I wouldn't waste my energy on a red neck throwaway piece of shit.   

U not a visitor?  Well u not born and raised here, u definitely not local, and after watching how you like to run your big mouth,  I'm sure it wont be long til shit catches up to you, one way or another.    so carry on, I'll save my spit for your grave.

Q

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2015, 09:04:21 PM »
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mauidog

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2015, 09:44:50 PM »
Aloha Q,

"Guess things aren't as bad as you say if you are just sitting around, waiting for the 'oppressing government' to give you what you think is rightly yours."

What I think is not important.

It is the rule of law and strict adherence to that which is written is what is important.  Even though it has been nearly 122 years since the Restoration Agreement has been signed, those who still believe in the rule of law need to remain patient and vigilant.  This is no different than everyone on this forum who continues to fight for the 2nd Amendment included in a 227 years old document called the US Constitution.  While elements of society and parts of the US Government itself are making excuses to remove and/or create a restrictive situation that make gun ownership difficult, that has not affected those on this 2a forum from keeping the spirit of the 2a alive and well.



Kuleana

Do you even know how international law works?  Think Nuremberg Trials in Nazi Germany.  Think Trial of Saddam Hussein.

The US dropped 2 nukes on a sovereign nation.  If we didn't get dinged in the world court for that, who on this Earth do you think will EVER bring the USA for failing to follow a 100+ year old restoration agreement? 

The "rule of law and strict adherence to it?"  Without an international body willing to levy charges, and a judicial body willing to hear the evidence, and without an enforcement body willing to carry out whatever  sentence, sanctions, shunning, or what have you to coerce compliance, you can forget any kind of "rule of law" scenario coming to kick the US out of Hawaii.

What part of "admission day" did you not get taught in school?  Learn from the civil war.  Once you are in the "family", there is no leaving the "family!"  Secession has been quashed, and if memory serves, Texas is the only state in the US which may actually have a legal footing if they ever decide to do it.

I think it goes, Texas was a sovereign state before negotiating annexation.  Hawaii, on the other hand, became a territory first.  Being a territory negates the sovereignty of the Hawaiian Kingdom prior to annexation, so the state doesn't have the legal right to secede.

Now, if someone, someway, somehow finds a way to prove Hawaii becoming a territory was illegal, invalid, or never happened, then maybe the Hawaiian Sovereignty movement would have a leg to stand (and run away) on.

An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

luxurysport

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2015, 10:03:17 PM »
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Q

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2015, 10:05:00 PM »
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mauidog

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2015, 10:09:09 PM »

Did you forget to log out of your other account?

 :rofl:       :popcorn:       :rofl:       :popcorn:       :rofl:       :popcorn:       :rofl:       :popcorn:       :rofl:       :popcorn:       :rofl:       :popcorn:     
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

bubba808

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2015, 10:09:23 PM »
my wife's phone But no matter.  She hate u too.  Maggot.

Kingkeoni

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2015, 10:15:13 PM »
Bubba & Q, both of you guys should mud wrestle in A'ala park with Kuleana as a tag team partner.

 :rofl:
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

bubba808

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2015, 10:19:03 PM »
Bubba & Q, both of you guys should mud wrestle in A'ala park with Kuleana as a tag team partner.

 :rofl:
lol stop fantasizing.

Kingkeoni

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2015, 10:20:32 PM »
lol stop fantasizing.

If it was a fantasy, it would be Speedtek in a Speedo as a tag team partner.  :D
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

Q

Re: Why Won't Anti-Americans Renounce Citizenship in Hawaii?
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