ATF plans to ban M855 again... (Read 41816 times)

ren

ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« on: February 13, 2015, 08:55:35 PM »
http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/Library/Notices/atf_framework_for_determining_whether_certain_projectiles_are_primarily_intended_for_sporting_purposes.pdf

IV. PREVIOUS EXEMPTIONS
As explained above, in 1986, ATF held that 5.56mm projectiles in SS109 and M855 cartridges were exempt. Further, in 1992, ATF held that 30-06 M2AP cartridges were also exempt. In each case, ATF found that, “it is well documented” that the respective ammunition “has been recognized as being suitable for target shooting with rifles due to its accuracy.” These cartridges were originally produced for the military and were only later adopted by civilians for sporting purposes. When assembled into a complete cartridge, the projectiles were exempt, but ATF did not exempt the projectiles before the cartridges were assembled.
Applying the sporting purposes framework set-forth above, the 5.56mm projectile that ATF exempted in 1986 does not qualify for an exemption because that projectile when loaded into SS109 and M855 cartridges may be used in a handgun other than a single-shot handgun. Specifically, 5.56mm projectiles loaded into the SS109 and M855 cartridges are commonly used in both “AR-type” rifles and “AR-type” handguns. The AR platform is the semi-automatic version of the M16 machinegun originally designed for and used by the military. The AR-based handguns and rifles utilize the same magazines and share identical receivers. These AR-type handguns were not commercially available when the armor piercing ammunition exemption was granted in 1986. To ensure consistency, upon final implementation of the sporting purpose framework outlined above, ATF must withdraw the exemptions for 5.56 mm “green tip” ammunition, including both the SS109 and M855 cartridges.7
ATF recognizes that this ammunition is widely available to the public. Because it is legally permissible to possess armor piercing ammunition under current law, withdrawing the exemption will not place individuals in criminal possession of armor piercing ammunition. However, with few exceptions, manufacturers will be unable to produce such armor piercing ammunition, importers will be unable to import such ammunition, and manufacturers and importers will be prohibited from selling or distributing the ammunition. ATF is specifically soliciting comments on how it can best implement withdrawal of this exemption while minimizing disruption to the ammunition and firearm industry and maximizing officer safety.
Under the proposed framework, the exemption for 30-06 M2AP cartridges would continue because ATF is not aware of any multi-shot handguns available in the ordinary channels of commerce that currently accept such ammunition.
Deeds Not Words

Aegis808

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2015, 09:04:17 PM »
race you all to the gun stores

Heavies

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2015, 10:46:16 PM »
So the c*nt wasn't satified by the title, "best gun salesman of all time"... Now he wants "best ammo salesman"...

tanakattack

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2015, 10:50:33 AM »

s197

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2015, 11:38:48 AM »
Since when is green tip "armor piercing." 

justin1098

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2015, 12:54:21 PM »
Since when is green tip "armor piercing."

Unfortunately bullets don't need to be able to pierce armor to be classified "armor piercing" by the ATF. Like back in the day when black talon bullets (teflon coated hollow points that pierce anything that a regular hp won't) made the news and were quickly banned by the ATF based on nothing more than idiot liberal news morons and fake public hysteria.

zippz

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2015, 01:44:49 PM »
I want to get my hands on some AP Teflon coated ammo, like the ones that zipped through a bulldozer blade in lethal weapon.

Lihikai

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2015, 08:55:50 PM »

OldFaithful

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2015, 10:13:18 PM »
Sign the petition to stop the ban: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-batfe-banning-xm855-ammunition/XrvVh1cj

Also email the atf since they are taking opinions.  Link is floating around the net.

blackheart0311

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ren

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2015, 10:56:01 AM »
Deeds Not Words

causa mortis

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2015, 11:14:24 AM »
Signed. I also sent an e-mail to the BATFE telling them what I thought on their interpretation of the law.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2015, 01:18:52 PM by causa mortis »

Sodie

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2015, 11:28:50 AM »
Signed the petition...

The petition focuses on the particulars of the regulation, but the real problem is that these sorts of regulations exist in the first place.  The way it's written, a bullet that's legal and available today could be made illegal tomorrow simply by a handgun becoming available that can chamber that round.  That makes it more dangerous how?

robtmc

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2015, 12:38:29 PM »
Sign the petition to stop the ban: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-batfe-banning-xm855-ammunition/XrvVh1cj
Does anyone truly think Obola gives a damn what gun owners think, or that he would support anything but further erosion of the 2A?

I mean, come on, petitioning "whitehouse.gov" to restore what should not have been tampered with to begin with? 

You know Obola/Holder is only doing this as part of their agenda, why would they backtrack?

Kingkeoni

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2015, 02:52:19 PM »
Does anyone truly think Obola gives a damn what gun owners think, or that he would support anything but further erosion of the 2A?

I mean, come on, petitioning "whitehouse.gov" to restore what should not have been tampered with to begin with? 

You know Obola/Holder is only doing this as part of their agenda, why would they backtrack?

This "why fight, we're already beat" attitude is a sad representation of what the people have become.

I signed the petition and will sign every single petition that comes down the pike, to fight for our gun rights.
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

z06psi

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2015, 03:09:03 PM »
Signed.

robtmc

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2015, 04:45:21 PM »
This "why fight, we're already beat" attitude is a sad representation of what the people have become..
I am more of a "Impeach the Kenyan POS" and make sure no other traitorous creep like him ever gets elected.  They have too much power, and as we see here, he feels and it looks like, he can do what he wants without repercussion.

No illegal alien amnesty, voter ID now!  Bring back the vote to Americans and make my vote mean something, as I firmly believe it has not for several election cycles now.

Sternly worded petitions do nothing, just as Obola's sternly worded letters do not impress the Iranians or other muzzies.  Only physical action will impress.

He is determined to do as much damage as possible in the next year and a half, this is likely just the beginning. 

My rage as always is directed at those that voted for him and/or enabled voter fraud and created this mess.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2015, 07:36:35 PM by robtmc »

Lockin

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2015, 12:23:24 PM »
signed

stangzilla

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2015, 02:05:37 PM »

MMM

Re: ATF plans to ban M855 again...
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2015, 06:42:06 PM »