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HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS (Read 376027 times)

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Notice of Docket Activity

The following transaction was entered on 10/09/2012 at 12:54:50 PM PDT and filed on 10/09/2012
Case Name:   Christopher Baker v. Louis Kealoha, et al
Case Number:     12-16258
Document(s):   Document(s)

Docket Text:
Notice of Oral Argument on Thursday, December 6, 2012 - 9:00 AM - Courtroom 1, 3rd Floor - James R. Browning US Courthouse - San Francisco, CA. Please return ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF HEARING NOTICE form to: SAN FRANCISCO Office. Please open attached documents to view details about your case. [8352270] (RB)
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Dregs

So you and the lawyers have to go to CA?

dubya

Don't forget to pack your overcoat, FT... San Fran can get cold in December!

Good luck, brother.
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Funtimes

So you and the lawyers have to go to CA?

Yes, we have to spend $$$$ and fly out to SF for arguments.
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MisterEd

Just wandered over to HDF and dropped a few buck$ into your travel fund...

Good luck in SanFran

Funtimes

Just wandered over to HDF and dropped a few buck$ into your travel fund...

Good luck in SanFran

Thank you! Much appreciated.
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 :shaka: agree  :shaka: I support this  :thumbsup:
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xer 21

what do you think your chances are?

OGC

Can we donate miles?  eliminate the cost of air travel?

Im sure a lot of us can spare some freq flyer miles from our Hawaiian Visa...  plus with HDF being non profit, I think HA wont charge for the transfers?

hnl.flyboy

Can we donate miles?  eliminate the cost of air travel?

Im sure a lot of us can spare some freq flyer miles from our Hawaiian Visa...  plus with HDF being non profit, I think HA wont charge for the transfers?

I think they already got the tickets, but I like the way you think!   :thumbsup:
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Have to get this case going quick, before a conservative member of the supreme court retires or kicks the bucket.

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Anubis

Good luck!  Maybe this court will be the first lower court to understand McDonald.  After the orals, there's only the 6-to-12-month wait for publication of the opinion.
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GOOD LUCK!
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I'll probably be a couple days before we get any updates. Who knows how long the oral arguments will take and Chris probably won't be able to share all that much on the case. I am excited to get any info though.
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Funtimes

Guess we'll just have to wait. I was looking for any kind of information.. even if it was just impressions on how the oral arguments went!! :shaka:

Sorry very day and night leading up to it.  More than anything, I want to first say thanks to my attorney Richard for taking this on.  The obvious things, is that it was not his speciality, but it says something about a man who will do something for another person - just to help him (and to also think that this has been hundreds of hours of the last year and some change, that is nothing to sneeze at).  This is thankless work, and there will always be a critic.

First things first, Paul Clement went up; I personally thought he did exceptionally well, and had a great closing.  The court seemed interested in what he personally thought on the case.  This may have something to do with him being ex-solicitor general and arguing many, many cases before the Supreme Court.   Anyways, he did great.  His opposing counsel had a very hard act to follow, but also did well.   There were lots of questions about scrutiny to these individuals, and it seemed to be repeated strict from our side, and intermediate from the others.

Alan Gura argued Second, and just kind of went where Paul left off, so that worked well.  He was followed by the attorney for Yolo county, who I personally thought did bad and went way far off on tangent.  In fact, at one point, the person directing the panel had to reel this guy in off the ledge, because he was going who knows where.   

Rick went next and did alright, we survived.  There were a few issues with how Hawaii has worded the law, and the court agrees with the reading, but not necessarily the position.    The court inquired hard about there being Zero permits, as that was different.  The opposing counsel brought up they give it to some people, and Judge Callahan was asking why not a process server? But that they will issue to someone to guard their money.    There was some serious inquiries to where and and when a right began and ended, and the States interest in public safety.   Opposing counsel argued that any time we leave the doorstep, their interest prevails.  The court didn't seem, at least to me, to really like that thought.   

You can listen to oral arguments here:
Edward Peruta, et al. v. County of San Diego, et al. found here: http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/media/view.php?pk_id=0000010109

Christopher Baker v. Louis Kealoha, et al. found here: http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/media/view.php?pk_id=0000010116

Adam Richards, et al. v. Ed Prieto, et al. found here: http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/media/view.php?pk_id=0000010111
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HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #299 on: December 06, 2012, 07:11:46 PM »
Sorry if this is a dumb question but what happens now?