Regards Bass monkey's comment of 12/01, I understand that Hawaii is special too under the Federal reciprocity law.
What I hear is that Hawaii does not have to extend CCW rights to it's own residents who may have an out of State permit
such as Utah or Florida. Only non Hawaii residents are covered.
Anything to this???

In addition to what Growler said, it could be summarized by saying, no, Hawaii is not special; nobody can get an out-of-state permit and use it in their state of residence to get around their state's no-issue stance.  However, if the bill passes, Hawaii will be forced to accept CCW permits from visitors.  So my cousin could come to visit, and legally carry here, because this is not his home state and he holds a valid CCW permit from his own home state.  The only semi-special state is Illinois, which currently has NO concealed carry permit for anyone, not even double-secret-probation CCW permits for special friends of the C.O.P. like Hawaii.  Because they don't have any CCW permits at all, they won't be forced to honor other states' permits, either.

Quote from: Gordyf on December 07, 2011, 06:38:27 AM

Regards Bass monkey's comment of 12/01, I understand that Hawaii is special too under the Federal reciprocity law.
What I hear is that Hawaii does not have to extend CCW rights to it's own residents who may have an out of State permit
such as Utah or Florida. Only non Hawaii residents are covered.
Anything to this???

In addition to what Growler said, it could be summarized by saying, no, Hawaii is not special; nobody can get an out-of-state permit and use it in their state of residence to get around their state's no-issue stance.  However, if the bill passes, Hawaii will be forced to accept CCW permits from visitors.  So my cousin could come to visit, and legally carry here, because this is not his home state and he holds a valid CCW permit from his own home state.  The only semi-special state is Illinois, which currently has NO concealed carry permit for anyone, not even double-secret-probation CCW permits for special friends of the C.O.P. like Hawaii.  Because they don't have any CCW permits at all, they won't be forced to honor other states' permits, either.

Whats to keep this place from changing to a "no" issue state? Not much that I can see.

Quote from: Cougar8045 on December 07, 2011, 10:43:26 AM

Quote from: Gordyf on December 07, 2011, 06:38:27 AM

Regards Bass monkey's comment of 12/01, I understand that Hawaii is special too under the Federal reciprocity law.
What I hear is that Hawaii does not have to extend CCW rights to it's own residents who may have an out of State permit
such as Utah or Florida. Only non Hawaii residents are covered.
Anything to this???

In addition to what Growler said, it could be summarized by saying, no, Hawaii is not special; nobody can get an out-of-state permit and use it in their state of residence to get around their state's no-issue stance.  However, if the bill passes, Hawaii will be forced to accept CCW permits from visitors.  So my cousin could come to visit, and legally carry here, because this is not his home state and he holds a valid CCW permit from his own home state.  The only semi-special state is Illinois, which currently has NO concealed carry permit for anyone, not even double-secret-probation CCW permits for special friends of the C.O.P. like Hawaii.  Because they don't have any CCW permits at all, they won't be forced to honor other states' permits, either.

Whats to keep this place from changing to a "no" issue state? Not much that I can see.

Nothing at all, really, unless some court somewhere grows a pair of nuts and decides that the word "bear" means what everyone thinks it means, from the Brady Bunch to the NRA.  Bear means carry, everybody knows it, and that's why the ACLU, Brady Bunch, et al, subscribe to the collective right philosophy; if they acknowledge that it's an individual right, they must acknowledge that carrying arms is a Constitutionally protected act.  Nobody seems to give a shit what the Constitution says about guns, though, so we'll be sitting out here waiting for a good long while.  Maybe my grandkids will be able to move to Hawaii and carry concealed.   But for now in Hawaii, the sheep and wolves outnumber the sheepdogs by about 7,254:1, so they can and probably will shift to no-issue if/when this bill passes, and the state government will spend millions (with widespread public support) fighting tooth and nail any change to their idiotic gun control laws.  PCS, anyone?

Quote from: vooduchikn on December 07, 2011, 10:57:09 AM

Quote from: Cougar8045 on December 07, 2011, 10:43:26 AM

Quote from: Gordyf on December 07, 2011, 06:38:27 AM

Regards Bass monkey's comment of 12/01, I understand that Hawaii is special too under the Federal reciprocity law.
What I hear is that Hawaii does not have to extend CCW rights to it's own residents who may have an out of State permit
such as Utah or Florida. Only non Hawaii residents are covered.
Anything to this???

In addition to what Growler said, it could be summarized by saying, no, Hawaii is not special; nobody can get an out-of-state permit and use it in their state of residence to get around their state's no-issue stance.  However, if the bill passes, Hawaii will be forced to accept CCW permits from visitors.  So my cousin could come to visit, and legally carry here, because this is not his home state and he holds a valid CCW permit from his own home state.  The only semi-special state is Illinois, which currently has NO concealed carry permit for anyone, not even double-secret-probation CCW permits for special friends of the C.O.P. like Hawaii.  Because they don't have any CCW permits at all, they won't be forced to honor other states' permits, either.

Whats to keep this place from changing to a "no" issue state? Not much that I can see.

  PCS, anyone?

Soon, very soon to a place where CC/OC, CLASS3/NFA all legal.

Soon, very soon to a place where CC/OC, CLASS3/NFA all legal.

Right behind you.

The only semi-special state is Illinois, which currently has NO concealed carry permit for anyone, not even double-secret-probation CCW permits for special friends of the C.O.P. like Hawaii.

No surprise that some in Chicago are above the law.

From http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/5208647-418/conceal-carry-bill-fails-in-house.html : "But supporters turned the protection argument around by going after Chicago aldermen, who are permitted to carry concealed weapons"

Quote from: Cougar8045 on December 07, 2011, 10:43:26 AM

The only semi-special state is Illinois, which currently has NO concealed carry permit for anyone, not even double-secret-probation CCW permits for special friends of the C.O.P. like Hawaii.

No surprise that some in Chicago are above the law.

From http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/5208647-418/conceal-carry-bill-fails-in-house.html : "But supporters turned the protection argument around by going after Chicago aldermen, who are permitted to carry concealed weapons"

Oops, I guess they do have double-secret probation CCW after all.  But of course members of the Politburo can be trusted with guns, Comrade!

Meeting yesterday? Any updates? Those of us without Facebook are wondering what is going on 

The next court date was pushed back to March, unfortunately. So more time waiting around

The only real update right now is we continue to do discovery matters. We are waiting for trial in March this is taking a long time.  The judge was 'busy' on the 17th.

The only real update right now is we continue to do discovery matters. We are waiting for trial in March this is taking a long time.  The judge was 'busy' on the 17th.

Last time I was "busy" for a court date, they put out a bench warrant on me.  And I didn't have it written on my calendar six months in advance, either.  Just sayin'.

How does that go? I'll be washing my hair that night?

How does that go? I'll be washing my hair that night?

He seems like a good guy; if he was a bad guy it might golf or something =p.

If HPD thought they were going to win, wouldn't they be in a hurry to get it over with?

Typical state action, "drag your feet and maybe they'll lose interest." mentality.

Typical state action, "drag your feet and maybe they'll lose interest." mentality.

They must not have met me ;p.

27 years old, have never owned a firearm. Just recently have I begun discovering how important it is to exercise our rights. Joined HDF and taking my firearm safety class in Feb. Soon I will be a proud first time owner of a firearm.

27 years old, have never owned a firearm. Just recently have I begun discovering how important it is to exercise our rights. Joined HDF and taking my firearm safety class in Feb. Soon I will be a proud first time owner of a firearm.

 
Welcome to the forum!

27 years old, have never owned a firearm. Just recently have I begun discovering how important it is to exercise our rights. Joined HDF and taking my firearm safety class in Feb. Soon I will be a proud first time owner of a firearm.

Good call!

27 years old, have never owned a firearm. Just recently have I begun discovering how important it is to exercise our rights. Joined HDF and taking my firearm safety class in Feb. Soon I will be a proud first time owner of a firearm.

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