I'm curious what everyone used for their reason for concealed carry permits.

I wrote:

There is the possibility of an urgent and immediate threat to my person and my family's person everyday.
     
If my family or I am placed in immediate danger of bodily injury by deed, the time to call police would be limited.
The ability to retreat may be limited.

The average response time by officers in Honolulu to a Priority 1 call is reportedly 7.59 minutes.
That will not save the life of my family or myself.

I will not have the opportunity to apply for a concealed carry permit after the urgent threat of bodily injury has transpired by deed.

If I may paraphrase the issuing authority's response: "Too f***ing bad for you."

We all know that no matter what you write as your reasons they are going to deny you. There have only been four (4) "exceptional cases" in the last 15 years, and I believe one of those was court ordered, so you (and your family, and the general public in the vicinity of you) being subject to the normal risks of criminal assault is not an "exceptional case". I'm pretty sure there is nothing you could write that would qualify you as an "exceptional case". I wrote chief Kubojiri several times, and one of the questions I asked was: "Could you please give five (5) specific examples of the exact wording someone would use that would result in you issuing them a CCW license?" Not only did he not answer the question (among others), but he ignored it completely (as he did others), not even stating that he was not willing to provide an answer to that question, nor what reason he might have for not answering it. And they supposedly work for us?

Best of luck! 

When I go down to apply in two weeks, I'll just put something like it's a God given right that the founders recognized and not some privilege that an unelected official can grant me.

If I may paraphrase the issuing authority's response: "Too f***ing bad for you."

I hear ya PunaP but that's not the point.

I'm just curious as to what people put down for reasons.
We're not so naive as to think a ccw will be granted.
I think you're missing the whole point of this exercise.

And please stop discouraging people from applying although your activism is appreciated.   

And based on what I wrote, if I get assaulted or killed can I sue 'em ?
I gave them notice.

I hear ya PunaP but that's not the point.

I'm just curious as to what people put down for reasons.
We're not so naive as to think a ccw will be granted.
I think you're missing the whole point of this exercise.

And please stop discouraging people from applying although your activism is appreciated.   

And based on what I wrote, if I get assaulted or killed can I sue 'em ?
I gave them notice.

I hope I'm not discouraging anyone from applying by expressing my personal opinions, that is not my intent. I'd like to see tens of thousands of Hawaii citizens applying, but as I've written, if we had that kind of citizenry, we wouldn't have the laws we have because those people wouldn't have elected these kinds of legislators.

Is "the point" to collect all the reasons given so that there is a catalog of "this doesn't work", and/or in case some are accepted they can then be cataloged as "this works"? Or is it just curiosity to see the creativity and diversity of our fellow freedom-loving citizens?

You could try to sue them, but you will be wasting your time and money, except as a form of protest, as it has long ago been held by the courts, and upheld, that you cannot sue law enforcement for anything that happens to you (i.e. they are immune from any responsibility to protect you. Exception: a cop does something illegal to you.). There have been numerous cases where people asked for police protection citing a specific threat, even people who had been granted restraining orders, who were killed by the person they sought protection from, and law enforcement could not be held criminally or civilly liable/responsible. They don't have to allow you to have a large variety of defensive arms outside your home, and they don't have to protect you, and they aren't liable if something bad happens to you or your family. In other words, to paraphrase, "Too f***ing bad for you". I'm just sayin'...  That's why the only real option is to be a criminal, even though you harm no one, and have no intent to harm anyone, if you choose to exercise your natural right, according the legal framework of Hawaii, you are a criminal. And can be arrested, prosecuted, and incarcerated for a long time, because... they say so.

"is it just curiosity to see the creativity and diversity of our fellow freedom-loving citizens"

Yup.


And of course you're discouraging people with your eeyore attitude. (It's a cloudy day. It'll never stop raining......)

But your opinion and input is valued 

I'm curious what everyone used for their reason for concealed carry permits.

I wrote:

There is the possibility of an urgent and immediate threat to my person and my family's person everyday.
     
If my family or I am placed in immediate danger of bodily injury by deed, the time to call police would be limited.
The ability to retreat may be limited.

The average response time by officers in Honolulu to a Priority 1 call is reportedly 7.59 minutes.
That will not save the life of my family or myself.

I will not have the opportunity to apply for a concealed carry permit after the urgent threat of bodily injury has transpired by deed.

Where do you live, it sounds dangerous. I don't mean to offend but I would not take that route it sounds a little snarky.

Here are a couple ideas I thought might make decent arguments.
I think the dangerous animal is always a good argument because you can't reason with a dog biting you and you can't exactly retreat when it can run a lot faster than you. Low crime rates also do not have anything to do with dangerous dogs.

One could also go with the argument that they are often carrying valuables if they have a small business which could put them at risk of robbery since they transport earnings.

Mention an instance where someone in your area was robbed perhaps.

Thanks eyeeating.

That's the discussion I'm talking about.

And no offense taken on the snarky comment. I thought it was poetry. 

first, i mentioned that the second amendment of the Bill of Rights grants me the right to own and bear arms. 
and reinforcing that is current legislation in Hawaii as well as across the US.
secondly, I said that I frequent areas like Kalihi, Kaimuki, Pearl City, Waianae, Waipahu
and in these areas I see quite often people carrying knives, Machetes, baseball bats, and golf clubs while walking the streets.
Thirdly, I wrote that i have witnessed and have been a victim of assault here in Hawaii in the past.
my narrative took the whole page.

also when i went to HPD, the officer asked if I included any police reports of assaults on my person, so I would have legitimate, concrete evidence of assault on my person.
I told him I did not bc HPD was not called in my instances.
but I think his suggestion is a good one.
although he also said I would get denied anyway.  but I did not take this statement in an insulting manner.  I believe he was just preparing me for what is going to happen.
he said he didn't want me to get upset when I get denied, it's just how things are. 
I should have explained this better in my other thread, that he wasn't insulting in his comments or suggestions, I believe he was just telling me how it is and offered some suggestions.
and i really had no problem with what he said.

i forgot:
I also put in my narrative that i am qualified for CCW in Hawaii as outlined by Hawaii gun laws.

Pre-printed this out and stapled to the application form, noted "see attached"

-Please provide any and all reasons (typed or printed) why you are in fear of injury to your person or property.



I would like to exercise my right to self protection as afforded by the United States and Hawaii Constitution.


Due to the recent rise in stabbings and violence in Hawaii and throughout the world, it is clear that one's responsibility to protect the lives of himself and his family needs to be recognized.  Violent terrorists have struck at home and abroad, home invasions praying on people as they arrive back to their homes, stabbings, beatings, break ins, and even shootings by criminals are becoming more prevalent here in Hawaii.  The firearm is a means to this self defense and protection.  The police have these tools at their disposal as a lasts means of self preservation, and to protect the public interest. 

As a responsible citizen, I have trained in the use of the handgun and know its limitations and responsibilities required for its use in self defense, as a last resort. Life of my loved ones is of the utmost importance.  Therefore,  I wish to exercise my right to self protection as afforded by the United States and Hawaii Constitution.

If I am to be denied my basic civil right to self protection outside of my home, please provide me a signed copy of the denial, and the causes found to deny my rights.

Thank you very much.

Respectfully,

Nice heavies.   

When I applied for my non-resident New Hampshire permit they suggested 'All Lawful Purposes' as a suggestion for the 'why are you applying for a permit' question.  Of course I know that nothing short of a lightning bolt from Heaven striking the chiefs of police in Hawaii will get a permit granted there.   

Moved to Florida where it's much more gun friendly.

Off topic....   When I went thru Honolulu International with a bunch of pistols, I just asked the lady for a firearms declaration card.  No problem at all.  They ( airline counter folks ) just asked if the guns were unloaded.  TSA was not involved at all.  I signed the card and put it in the case.  Picked up the case when I arrived in Florida.  ( it should always be that easy )

  Mister Ed

I left this blank.  Call me a purist.

I left this blank.  Call me a purist.

As good a strategy as any, given the circumstances.