Natenyahu's speech at congress warns US against deal that pave the way for Iran nuclear bomb (Read 37537 times)

Aegis808

Why do you reserve the right to self defense for yourself, but  you criticize Israel for their efforts to do the same?

why do you consider preemptive attacks with self defense?

do you approve that HPD should start shooting everyone that applies for a firearms permit since they might use it to murder someone?

Should the ATF raid everyone that ever buys an 80% lower since there is a possibility that they might make a machine gun out of it?
« Last Edit: March 05, 2015, 01:33:13 PM by Aegis808 »

Jl808

The flaw of those defending Iran is that people assume everyone thinks and plays by the same rules.

If Muslims extremists lay down their arms, there will be peace in the Middle East.

If Israel lays down their arms, they will cease to exist.

You cannot trade and negotiate with terrorist.
I think, therefore I am armed.
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Aegis808

You should also take a note from your own signature quote as a reflective learning experience that rights do not stop at the US borders.

Can our form of government, our system of justice, survive if one can be denied a freedom because he might abuse it? - Harlon Carter

Aegis808

The flaw of those defending Iran is that people assume everyone thinks and plays by the same rules.

If Muslims extremists lay down their arms, there will be peace in the Middle East.

If Israel lays down their arms, they will cease to exist.

Are we talking about muslim extremists or are we talking about Iran?

Jl808


Are we talking about muslim extremists or are we talking about Iran?

For this discussion, since Iran's leadership does not recognize Israel's right to exist and calls for their destruction, what is the difference?
I think, therefore I am armed.
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stangzilla

obviously we have an obama and isis sympathizer here.
same thoughts and beliefs as them.

mauidog

why do you consider preemptive attacks with self defense?

do you approve that HPD should start shooting everyone that applies for a firearms permit since they might use it to murder someone?

Should the ATF raid everyone that ever buys an 80% lower since there is a possibility that they might make a machine gun out of it?

No, but if the applicant makes public threats to "wipe someone off the map," I do expect HPD to deny them a gun!
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

Aegis808

For this discussion, since Iran's leadership does not recognize Israel's right to exist and calls for their destruction, what is the difference?

because Israel still exists and Iran hasn't invaded or bombed it.

Am I a domestic terrorist because I do not believe in the ATF's right to exist and calls for their removal, what's the difference?

Aegis808

No, but if the applicant makes public threats to "wipe someone off the map," I do expect HPD to deny them a gun!

Free speech applies to everyone and threats with no actual evidence of aggression made are not proof of violence.

obviously we have an obama and isis sympathizer here.
same thoughts and beliefs as them.

Ah yes i must be your most hated and easy to fight strawmen since i do not agree with bombing people and economic strangulation... although it seems Obama and ISIS love to do those very same things.

stangzilla

Free speech applies to everyone and threats with no actual evidence of aggression made are not proof of violence.

Ah yes i must be your most hated and easy to fight strawmen since i do not agree with bombing people and economic strangulation... although it seems Obama and ISIS love to do those very same things.

we'll add to your description:  fence walker.

mauidog

because Israel still exists and Iran hasn't invaded or bombed it.

Am I a domestic terrorist because I do not believe in the ATF's right to exist and calls for their removal, what's the difference?

The ATF is not a sovereign nation.  Nice strawman argument.  Your comparisons of apples to oranges are turning into a fruit salad!!

The ATF is not a sovereign entity, even though at times they may act  like it.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

mauidog

Free speech applies to everyone and threats with no actual evidence of aggression made are not proof of violence.

Ah yes i must be your most hated and easy to fight strawmen since i do not agree with bombing people and economic strangulation... although it seems Obama and ISIS love to do those very same things.

I guess the term "terroristic threatening" is just a made-up phrase with no legal meaning?
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

Aegis808

we'll add to your description:  fence walker.

Yet another label since i am neither for you or with your opposition this clearly means that black and white are the only realities are you or those of your opponent.

dangerous words in dangerous times, much like when the benevolent George W. Bush said, "If you aren't with us you're against us."

Aegis808

I guess the term "terroristic threatening" is just a made-up phrase with no legal meaning?

So you agree that the US government should face consequence for the actions it has caused all over the world with it plots to overthrow sovereign nations?

The ATF is not a sovereign nation.  Nice strawman argument.  Your comparisons of apples to oranges are turning into a fruit salad!!

The ATF is not a sovereign entity, even though at times they may act  like it.

oh but the ATF is a part of the US government and derives its authority from those very documents that establish the USA as a sovereign nation with the free will to determine it's own fate.

mauidog

Free speech applies to everyone and threats with no actual evidence of aggression made are not proof of violence.

Ah yes i must be your most hated and easy to fight strawmen since i do not agree with bombing people and economic strangulation... although it seems Obama and ISIS love to do those very same things.

Free speech doesn't mean speech of any sort void of any consequences.

You have a right to voice your opinion.  Calls for violence, even in the absence of actual physical violence, is not protected speech.

Freedom of speech is intended to allow the people to criticize government without fear of reprisal, NOT to protect people whose words might incite violence and cause death and destruction.

You might have your opinions, but that doesn't mean I have an obligation to listen or accept them.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

mauidog

So you agree that the US government should face consequence for the actions it has caused all over the world with it plots to overthrow sovereign nations?

oh but the ATF is a part of the US government and derives its authority from those very documents that establish the USA as a sovereign nation with the free will to determine it's own fate.

You are just talking crazy now.

And you keep trying to change  the subject.  The topic is about Iran, not the US and her past "crimes" as you see them.

Try to focus.  Maybe it's time for your meds?
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

Aegis808

Free speech doesn't mean speech of any sort void of any consequences.

You have a right to voice your opinion.  Calls for violence, even in the absence of actual physical violence, is not protected speech.

Freedom of speech is intended to allow the people to criticize government without fear of reprisal, NOT to protect people whose words might incite violence and cause death and destruction.

You might have your opinions, but that doesn't mean I have an obligation to listen or accept them.

Indeed all speech is covered by free speech. because you can see the US government do quite the same everyday to places it does not favor. In fact the US goes a step further and attacks others that it does not like.

Remember i am not endorsing either side in the party and do not expect me to be won over. This is  philosophical and moral stand on ending the cycle of Israeli fear mongering against the Iran and the US government spending billions of dollars each year only to create more aggression and hate between nations.

As has been stated Israel defends itself. SELF DEFENSE IS NOT Israel or the US government going into Iran and bombing targets and creating even more political upheaval. The second I hear about someone other than the USA having used a nuke offensively then by all means do whatever is necessary.

Killing someone because they say things you don't like is not self defense, it is the same as terrorists bombing and shooting up cartoonists for drawing things they don't like.

You are just talking crazy now.

And you keep trying to change  the subject.  The topic is about Iran, not the US and her past "crimes" as you see them.

Try to focus.  Maybe it's time for your meds?

Maybe there would be no worry about the past crimes of the US if the accusation of past crimes by Iran weren't also used as a basis for US intervention in Iran. Israel will not be one the invading Iran to enforce this nuclear ban. It will be US troops paid for by US taxes.

I've personally served in these foolish wars and seen that we aren't protecting any American freedoms. We're spending billions of dollars and losing the lives of thousands for corporate profits and foreign interests while our government unceasingly spends more and more money.

FOR DECADES  Israel has made claims of Iranian nuclear capability and for decades Iran has done nothing.

This is nothing but fools warmongering that the lives of others be put on the line for the defense of non-American interests. If you claim the US Constitution is there to tell the government to protect American borders and American citizens then why must they act for a nation that does not pay taxes to the US government?

These are the FACTS

The US has been an aggressor against Iran since the late 40s
The US shot down and absolved itself of the US Navy shooting down a commercial passenger airliner that it "confused" for being an F-14
The US continues to finance domestic terrorist groups within Iran
The US continues to force other nations to abide by it's absurd economic sanction against Iran
The US funded, led, and endorsed the Iraq war against Iran
The US continues to invade, bomb, assassinate, and kidnap people from all over the middle east
The US funds, trains, and arms terrorist groups fighting on the Iranian border of Syria

Every time Iran does something in defense of itself it is declared TERRORISM™ by the US government and you wonder why they they have such anger toward us while conflating it to be religious extremism. I would even go so far as to believe you don't even know that Iran took no part in the six-day war.

With all of this do not preach to me about who is crazy or not because it is sheer insanity to demand that the US taxpayers and US military should bear the responsibility and costs of invading and occupying yet another country that has not made any threats to our borders or liberties. How many more damn wars do the US citizens have to be dragged into until we realize that the Pax Americana is not an ethical model to base our interactions around the world on.

xer 21

Dumbest thread of the year.


For the record, the wholesale generalization of muslims as extremists does no one favors and.  Dont be a bigot.

mauidog

Dumbest thread of the year.


For the record, the wholesale generalization of muslims as extremists does no one favors and.  Dont be a bigot.

For the record, no one has done that in this thread that I recall. 
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

mauidog

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FOR DECADES  Israel has made claims of Iranian nuclear capability and for decades Iran has done nothing.

Not JUST Israel.  You didn't read the long post I pasted with all the intel reports and state department assessments decade after decade, not to mention Russia providing technology and assistance in defiance of sanctions.  Iran is not "doing nothing."

The threat is real.  Why do million have to die from a nuclear blast for you to believe it?  Why are you willing to stand idly by while Iran works toward the creation of nuclear weapons?  Meanwhile Obama is REDUCING the inventory of US nukes to a pre-Cold War level.

When the Iranians pray publicly for the destruction of not just Israel, but every Jew on Earth, I consider that a "threat", not just "something I don't like to hear".
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper