Xring indoor range discussion (Read 31681 times)

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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2015, 01:59:38 PM »
So, it's $37.50 a day w/ outside ammo and up to an hour if crowded, right?

Are you guys considering offering monthly memberships? If you were to offer the same benefits of the $950/yr. membership to a monthly membership fee of $80 to $100 a month, you could generate the same if not more revenue, and I suspect there's more people that would be willing to shell out that amount as opposed to nearly a grand at one time.


No ammo is regular priced.

Regular priced is expensive.   That is the reason people reload or look for ammo specials by the case. 

I am not going to voice much of my disappointment in what I feel about the prices that have been announced. I will however submit that the impression was that Xring was going to be a place for the public to shoot at a decent price point. IMHO, many many persons will NOT spend that kind of money with any frequency just to shoot indoors.  I can say, I will not be shooting there if these prices are the last word.

I had planned to purchase a membership and introduce new people to firearms with light reloads, at an easier and more practical distance for a handgun, and graduate them to normal power rounds. Many are intimidated by firearms and do not want to take classes, however they are curious, and not oppesed to at least try.....

$40 + $40 per person that comes in with me to shoot?  That will really put off someone who is on the fence in the first place. 

I may try it out once or twice,  but probably no more than that.  IMO, Xring is going to alienate MANY shooters with those prices.

I can say this. I hardly, if ever, go into Magnum, and spend money there even less..even with the 'new' management. The one and only reason is the prices that they charge.  If it is that Xring wanted to make some kind of 'elite' Beverly hills gunclub action, well then that is cool.  All the best and good fortune.   

We the 'regular' people will just have to continue to fight the roads on the way to kokohead.

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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2015, 02:11:59 PM »
I'll bring it up.

Ammo prices will be dropping since we finally getting the range deals.
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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2015, 02:15:17 PM »
Regular priced is expensive.   That is the reason people reload or look for ammo specials by the case. 

I am not going to voice much of my disappointment in what I feel about the prices that have been announced. I will however submit that the impression was that Xring was going to be a place for the public to shoot at a decent price point. IMHO, many many persons will NOT spend that kind of money with any frequency just to shoot indoors.  I can say, I will not be shooting there if these prices are the last word.

I had planned to purchase a membership and introduce new people to firearms with light reloads, at an easier and more practical distance for a handgun, and graduate them to normal power rounds. Many are intimidated by firearms and do not want to take classes, however they are curious, and not oppesed to at least try.....

$40 + $40 per person that comes in with me to shoot?  That will really put off someone who is on the fence in the first place. 

I may try it out once or twice,  but probably no more than that.  IMO, Xring is going to alienate MANY shooters with those prices.

I can say this. I hardly, if ever, go into Magnum, and spend money there even less..even with the 'new' management. The one and only reason is the prices that they charge.  If it is that Xring wanted to make some kind of 'elite' Beverly hills gunclub action, well then that is cool.  All the best and good fortune.   

We the 'regular' people will just have to continue to fight the roads on the way to kokohead.
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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2015, 02:34:25 PM »
This is JMHO and is what I was planning to do once the range opened. I was planning to stop by the range in the mid to late afternoon after I get off of work. One or maybe two days a week for about an hour each time. If you would consider offering a "LOCALS" special membership for $500/yr with a maximum of 2hrs/week or maybe even 1hr/day with a maximum of 2 days a week, and allow our own guns and ammo with an hourly rate of your choosing if one goes beyond the allowable time/days, I would be all in.
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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2015, 02:49:04 PM »
What are the range hours?

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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2015, 02:57:43 PM »
I agree with inspector.$500 and bring your own ammo.I wouldnt mind stopping by after work once or twice a week for a hour. :thumbsup:

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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2015, 03:00:35 PM »
Range Hours for now is 10am-5pm maybe 6pm Tue-Sat

Plans are to train a new crew and open 7 days a week and later. But We wont know till when.
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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2015, 03:06:04 PM »
Every range I shot at on the mainland required factory loaded ammo, brass cased only, and no steel cores.  Used brass became property of the range.  That's one way they lowered costs -- bagging or reloading the spent brass.

According to the X-Ring list posted a little bit ago, no reloads allowed in rental guns at all.  That implies you can use reloads in your own guns ...

... assuming BYOA is allowed.

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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2015, 03:39:54 PM »
If it is that Xring wanted to make some kind of 'elite' Beverly hills gunclub action, well then that is cool. 

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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2015, 03:41:32 PM »
Every range I shot at on the mainland required factory loaded ammo, brass cased only, and no steel cores.  Used brass became property of the range.  That's one way they lowered costs -- bagging or reloading the spent brass.

According to the X-Ring list posted a little bit ago, no reloads allowed in rental guns at all.  That implies you can use reloads in your own guns ...

... assuming BYOA is allowed.

For what it's worth.

One of the first things I had wanted to know about this new range was if one's own reloads would be allowed. I might have assumed BYOA meant reloads.  I am sorry if that is incorrect.  The whole reason, for me anyway, to go to this range would be to test reloads, bring new shooters to try lower power reloads, and to practice with reloaded ammo of similar velocity and impact as SD ammo. 

Sorry for the confusion if BYOA means factory ammo only.  If that is the case, then that would mean I would probably never have a reason to try it out at all.

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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2015, 03:45:14 PM »
One of the first things I had wanted to know about this new range was if one's own reloads would be allowed. I might have assumed BYOA meant reloads.  I am sorry if that is incorrect.  The whole reason, for me anyway, to go to this range would be to test reloads, bring new shooters to try lower power reloads, and to practice with reloaded ammo of similar velocity and impact as SD ammo. 

Sorry for the confusion if BYOA means factory ammo only.  If that is the case, then that would mean I would probably never have a reason to try it out at all.


Whether you can bring your own ammo at all, new or reloaded, is looking like the real subject.  Looks like there are ways to pay for that privilege. 
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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2015, 03:51:26 PM »
Every range I shot at on the mainland required factory loaded ammo, brass cased only, and no steel cores.  Used brass became property of the range.  That's one way they lowered costs -- bagging or reloading the spent brass.

According to the X-Ring list posted a little bit ago, no reloads allowed in rental guns at all.  That implies you can use reloads in your own guns ...

... assuming BYOA is allowed.

For what it's worth.
For me it is not so much the savings of my reloads over the range ammo. But I do have a little insight into what 9mm is going to cost and it will be close to $16/box. It might be higher or lower. But even at $15/box that is $0.30 per round. I am reloading at $0.19 per round currently. Actually, $0.184 per round. So for me the savings is significant. Plus I have already invested a substantial amount into my reloading components. Having to buy ammo just adds significantly to my monthly expenses that I was not planning for. And then what do I do with the hundreds and hundreds (Close to $1k) of dollars I have invested into the components that I will no longer use? Because if I am going to shoot pistol at X-Ring I am not going to waste a trip to KHSC to shoot pistols. You see the real reason I prefer my own reloads is not the cost. It is the time and effort put into the picking of components, and the testing. And after all the work is done, my sights are set for my loads. I don't know about you but every time you go to the range and fire different ammo I hate not hitting to point of aim. Then how do you know if the ammo doesn't work well with your gun or if you are just having a bad day?

Reloading isn't just an attempt to save money for me. It is a huge part of my gun hobby. I just hate the thought of having to throw all that away.

The ranges I shot at in LA only allowed purchased ammo in their guns. And some places sold reloads. But all of the ranges I shot at around OC allowed reloads in your own guns. It seemed LA had some rules/laws that the ranges had to follow that did not apply to OC.

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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2015, 04:05:06 PM »
I think Heavies and Inspector have a very valid point.  I think the community was hoping for more opportunity to use either their own reloads or outside purchased ammo more frequently than the 2 current options: the daily $37.50 rate or the $950 annual elite membership.  Seeing how there is time between now and the time the range opens to the public, hopefully a compromise/solution can be reached.   :shaka:
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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2015, 04:27:23 PM »
Let's keep in mind the costs of building and insurance. Must have been quite a bit of $$$
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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2015, 05:10:00 PM »
Let's keep in mind the costs of building and insurance. Must have been quite a bit of $$$
I don't want to take away anything from X-Ring regarding the range. It is their range to do with as they please. It cost them what it cost. If they felt it was cost prohibitive they would not have built it. They had to have a business plan for it before they built it. Which would have included what their charges and rules were going to be. As I told Dex I am not mad or upset. I am just disappointed that my practice time with pistols is not going to change due to the cost of going to their range. It is what it is and I can't change it. All I can do is let them know I won't be spending my money at the range due to their prices. If they choose to do something about their pricing then great, I'll spend my hard earned money there. If not, I'll have more money to buy more military rifles.

But here is what I see as being the down fall of their pricing regardless of what their cost to build/run the range. I don't believe they are going to get enough yearly memberships to support the range. I also believe that their bread and butter is going to be the non members that will come mostly on the weekends. Basically the occasional shooter. I don't believe their will be enough of this type of shooter either to support the range. If they make the range affordable enough to bring in more people those people will spend more money in the store. I know every time I walk into X-Ring or one of the other LGS I spend $40-$60. That, to me is the draw of the range if I were X-Ring.

I coiuld be wrong, and I hope I am. I only wish the best for X-Ring and their new range. In the meantime, we'll see if the pricing and rules stay static or eventually change.
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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2015, 05:25:25 PM »
I'm a bit disappointed with the cost of the fees, however I know it's very expensive to operate a range.  Probably looking at around $10,000 a month for rent and utilities a month.  Plus $1.5 million for the building and range equipment which if on a 5 year loan is $33,000 a month to pay off.  Plus another $5,000 for labor.  That's $48,000 per month, or $1,600 day or $160 per hour not including other expenses and insurance.  So at the $15 rate and 100% use all day every day with shooters not buying anything else, the range would be losing money.

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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2015, 06:21:41 PM »
zippz is close.

500k for just the A/C system and filter system

The Target return system is kick ass.  It can do auto distance and it also turns. you can set it on auto and and it will move back and forth in intervals and turn.

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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2015, 08:17:06 PM »
Speedie could you define BYOA please. Can reloads be shot or is it BYOA factory ammo only?

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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2015, 10:33:38 AM »
Reloads are allowed with the ELITE membership
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Re: Xring indoor range discussion
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2015, 10:57:35 AM »
Since speedy is answering questions here, I have one.
I am ready to pull the trigger on the elite option.
But do all my guests need to have a permit? How can I intro a novice?
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