I have purchased 7 firearms in Hawaii, I am aware of the process. I just didn't understand what you meant by this.
"You must TRANSFER the receiver (at the point of sale) AS A PISTOL on the 4473."

If you bought a gun at a LGS, you had to fill out a BATFE Form 4473, Firearms Transaction Record Part I - Over-the-Counter.

Section B, Box 18 has 3 check boxes.


Whatever the seller checks is how the law treats the receiver.

Not really all that difficult.

https://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

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You can build an AR into a semiauto pistol in Hawaii so long as it is under the weight limits, has an unshrouded/unthreaded barrel and is rim fire (which circumvents the length requirement). Rather than a fore grip use a mag well grip.

I did the weight calculations a while back and was considering building one but lost interest (you can get centerfire ar pistols that are light enough).

Also the LGS I was planning to purchase the receiver through wasn't cooperative.

They were under the impression that it would be illegal because you could theoretically convert it to center fire without tools, but even if that is a concern (I don't agree it is a valid concern) you can circumvent that by using screws rather than pins. The dumb Hawaii magazine law is a bigger problem but that's another topic. Desert Eagles and similar large semi auto centerfires are technically assault pistols as well but that's yet another topic.

Anyway I decided it was too much hassle for something that probably wouldn't be much fun to shoot.

@ MD - I laud your efforts, but after a certain point, I think it becomes incumbent upon the individual to do their own due diligence.

@ eyeeatingfish - Perhaps you should contact HPD, directly, and ask them for advice on your project.  That way, you are getting getting information directly from the source.  Best of luck on your project, and please let us know what information you uncover.

New guy, I already know it is legal I have seen the discussions on it before. I didn't realize that I could only use a new receiver that had never been used/sold as a rifle reciever.

If I do ever get around to making one I will just figure it out through the gun shop. Then I at least know I am getting information from a good source who will ensure it is done properly.

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Are you planning on building one, or is this just another academic exercise to start talking about AR magazines again?

 

I'll go out on a limb here and say that fisheatingeye never builds this pistol.

My comment to MD was based on the fact that, though several people tried, in good faith, to provide you with pertinent information and links, you still seem to be argumentative and ask questions that have previously been answered, either in other people's responses or in the linked information.

I was not clear on Mauidog's terminology and asking for clarification. He said you have to transfer the reciever at the point of sale (the gun shop?) as a pistol and then obtain a pistol permit. How do I have it transfered to me prior to me obtaining the permit first? If I take home the reciever that was just transfered to me as a pistol but I do not yet have the permit then it would seem I am in violation of the law requiring me to get the pistol purchase permit before I obtain the firearm. Does my confusion make sense yet? Am I misunderstanding the way the word "transfered" is being used in this transaction?

I'll go out on a limb here and say that fisheatingeye never builds this pistol.

You willing to subsidize this venture?

I was not clear on Mauidog's terminology and asking for clarification. He said you have to transfer the reciever at the point of sale (the gun shop?) as a pistol and then obtain a pistol permit. How do I have it transfered to me prior to me obtaining the permit first? If I take home the reciever that was just transfered to me as a pistol but I do not yet have the permit then it would seem I am in violation of the law requiring me to get the pistol purchase permit before I obtain the firearm. Does my confusion make sense yet? Am I misunderstanding the way the word "transfered" is being used in this transaction?

I posted the steps IN ORDER.  Maybe the problem is, you need every intermediate step spelled out for you, too?  My mistake, since you did tell me you have gone through the registration process before.  Either you're lying about that, have the memory of a goldfish, or need your mommy to hold your hand again like the last times.

1.  Go to the gunshop, find a place to park, and go inside. 
2.  Pick out the AR receiver you want to build into a pistol.
3.  Make sure the gunshop will be willing to report it as a Handgun to ATF on form 4473
4.  Pay for the receiver and keep your receipt with the serial number
5.  Go to HPD between the hours of 7:45 AM and 3:00 PM, Monday thru Friday, excluding City & County Holidays
6.  Park and lock your vehicle
7.  Make sure you park in a legal space
8.  Make sure you put enough money in the meter for the visit -- usually an hour is plenty, but you can leave and feed the meter if there's a line
9.  Make sure you have the receiver receipt, your valid Hawaii Driver's license or other valid photo ID, your safety training documentation and know who your healthcare provider is
10.  Go to the Firearms section and stand in line.  If there is no line, wait at the doorway to the firearms section to be called.
11.  When called to the window, step forward.
12.  Tell the officer behind the glass you would like to apply for a permit to acquire for a pistol.  Show him your ID, your safety training documentation and the receipt. 
13.  Make sure the officer understands this is an AR receiver you intend to configure as a handgun.
14.  Take the paperwork the officer gives you, and find a place to write.  You'll need a black ink pen.  The pen can be any color outside.  The color of the ink must be black.
15.  Fill out the paperwork accurately, completely, and legibly.  If you have questions, ask the officer behind the glass.  if you make mistakes, ask if you can strike through the mistake, or if you need a new form.
16.  After completing all forms, read through the forma again and fill in the signatures, dates and other information you skipped over.
17.  Stand up, and give the forms to the officer behind the glass.
18.  Wait for the officer to review the forms.
19.  Correct the blanks you still left blank even though I told you to check them before handing them in.
20.  After the officer is satisfied the forms are complete, he will tell you when to come back to pick up the form.  Write the dates down when your permit will be ready. 
21.  Take a picture of the dates posted in the window with your cell phone so you'll at least have that after you lose the paper you wrote the dates on.
22.  After the 2 week wait, go to HPD between the hours of 7:45 AM and 3:00 PM, Monday thru Friday, excluding City & County Holidays
23.  Park and lock your vehicle
24.  Make sure you park in a legal space
25.  Make sure you put enough money in the meter for the visit -- usually an hour is plenty, but you can leave and feed the meter if there's a line
26.  Make sure you have your valid Hawaii Driver's license or other valid photo ID
27.  Go to the Firearms section and stand in line.  If there is no line, wait at the doorway to the firearms section to be called.
28.  When called to the window, step forward.
29.  Tell the officer behind the glass you are there to pick up a pistol permit and show him your ID
30.  After you get the permit, return to the same gun shop you bought the receiver from.  You may use the receipt they gave you as reference.
31.  Park at the gun shop, and go inside.
32.  Hand the gun shop employee your permit and valid ID
33.  When handed the DOJ/ATF Form 4473, fill it out according to the instructions given to you by the employee.  Mistakes are not allowed, so if you mess up, you have to start a new form.
34.  Make sure the correct box is checked in box 18.  HANDGUN. 
35.  When all paperwork is complete, the gun shop employee will give you the receiver.
36.  Within 5 days, go to HPD between the hours of 7:45 AM and 3:00 PM, Monday thru Friday, excluding City & County Holidays
37.  Park and lock your vehicle
38.  Make sure you park in a legal space
39.  Make sure you put enough money in the meter for the visit -- usually an hour is plenty, but you can leave and feed the meter if there's a line
40.  Make sure you have your valid Hawaii Driver's license or other valid photo ID and the receiver
41.  Go to the Firearms section and stand in line.  If there is no line, wait at the doorway to the firearms section to be called.
42.  When called to the window, step forward.
43.  Tell the officer behind the glass you are there to register a receiver.
44.  Place the permit, receiver and your ID under the window.  (Note: there is no need to perform the chamber clearing process of a lower receiver without a full upper receiver attached)
45.  When the officer hand you all of your items back, he will also give you a registration form.  Fill it out completely, accurately, and legibly.
46.  Before handing the form back to the officer, review it for completeness and accuracy, because you remember what happened last time you were there!
47.  Sit patiently while the registration is typed.
48.  When called to the window, stand up, take the registration form, and review it.  Make sure it is complete and accurate. 
49.  If you find a mistake, tell the officer.
50.  Once the form is accurate, sign the form.  No need to sign every sheet -- the forms have carbon paper between them to produce duplicate copies automatically.  For more information on carbon paper, how it's made, and how it works, please see this reference:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_paper
51.  After you sign the registration form, remove the top copy by tearing along the top perforated line.  Return the rest of the form copies and carbon paper to the officer behind the glass.
52.  Thank the officers behind the glass for being patient with you, as I'm sure by now they have gone above and beyond their normal duty to help you.
53.  You now have a legally registered AR lower that can be built as a handgun.
54.  Go straight to your home and remove the lower from your vehicle before you get caught transporting a "firearm" to a location not authorized in HRS 134.
55.  Review the other threads on here on their experiences building AR pistols. 
56.  As soon as the receiver is completed, take it back to HPD between the hours of 7:45 AM and 3:00 PM, Monday thru Friday, excluding City & County Holidays
57.  Park and lock your vehicle
58.  Make sure you park in a legal space
59.  Make sure you put enough money in the meter for the visit -- usually an hour is plenty, but you can leave and feed the meter if there's a line
60.  Make sure you have your valid Hawaii Driver's license or other valid photo ID and the receiver
61.  Go to the Firearms section and stand in line.  If there is no line, wait at the doorway to the firearms section to be called.
62.  When called to the window, step forward.
63.  Tell the officer behind the glass you are there to re-register an AR receiver as a completed AR Pistol.
64.  Give the officer the completed firearm, your valid ID, and the registration you received from them for the receiver.
65.  If everything is satisfactory, they will hand you your items back. 
66.  If they give you another registration application, fill it out accurately, completely and legibly.  If they simply make ink changes to the old registration, that's all you need to do.  Skip the next step.
67.  If you have to complete another application for registration, wait for the new registration to be typed, review it when called to the window, sign the top copy, and retain the top copy while returning the other carbon copies to the officer.

If you have any further questions, please contact the firearms division at HPD and let them know you are not competent to own firearms.  No other steps are required after that!   

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Maui, your snarky instructions aren't even consistent. You initially said transfer the reciever on the 4473 then go get a pistol permit now you are saying to get the permit then fill it out as a handgun on the 4473 which makes more sense.

Additionally I don't expect you to do all the work for me, I just asked since it was connected to the discussion. You answered with a technical explanation in a way that didn't make sense so I asked for clarification. I was never rude to you and I see no humor in your passive aggresive desire to insult me. If I wanted a rude saleperson to make fun of me for asking a simple question I would go to Kaneohe Gun Shop. Is it so hard to simply elaborate on your explanation? If you don't want to bother then just don't answer.

Maui, your snarky instructions aren't even consistent. You initially said transfer the reciever on the 4473 then go get a pistol permit now you are saying to get the permit then fill it out as a handgun on the 4473 which makes more sense.

Additionally I don't expect you to do all the work for me, I just asked since it was connected to the discussion. You answered with a technical explanation in a way that didn't make sense so I asked for clarification. I was never rude to you and I see no humor in your passive aggresive desire to insult me. If I wanted a rude saleperson to make fun of me for asking a simple question I would go to Kaneohe Gun Shop. Is it so hard to simply elaborate on your explanation? If you don't want to bother then just don't answer.

No, I did not say that:

    There are 3 steps in acquiring a pistol in Hawaii:

    1.  APPLICATION FOR PERMIT TO ACQUIRE

    2.  TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP

    3.  REGISTRATION

    You should research those things.

Where did I ever say to transfer the pistol before getting a permit?

Maui, your snarky instructions aren't even consistent. You initially said transfer the reciever on the 4473 then go get a pistol permit now you are saying to get the permit then fill it out as a handgun on the 4473 which makes more sense.

Additionally I don't expect you to do all the work for me, I just asked since it was connected to the discussion. You answered with a technical explanation in a way that didn't make sense so I asked for clarification. I was never rude to you and I see no humor in your passive aggresive desire to insult me. If I wanted a rude saleperson to make fun of me for asking a simple question I would go to Kaneohe Gun Shop. Is it so hard to simply elaborate on your explanation? If you don't want to bother then just don't answer.

Passive aggressive?  Me?  Never!!

If you actually have registered a pistol in Hawaii, none of what I said would be "a technical explanation in a way that didn't make sense".  The only way it doesn't make sense is if you never understood the Hawaii pistol acquisition process to start with.

Don't blame me if you feel insulted.  I think the snarkiness was something I should be allowed to indulge in, since I feel I've bent over backward to explain this to you in a way even you can figure out.

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No, I did not say that:

    There are 3 steps in acquiring a pistol in Hawaii:

    1.  APPLICATION FOR PERMIT TO ACQUIRE

    2.  TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP

    3.  REGISTRATION

    You should research those things.

Where did I ever say to transfer the pistol before getting a permit?

Reply # 8
Mauidog said:

You must TRANSFER the receiver (at the point of sale) AS A PISTOL on the 4473.  Then you must apply for a pistol permit.  After the 2 week wait, you can then register it as a pistol.

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Reply # 8
Mauidog said:

So, one time, early in the thread, I got ahead of myself.  The ATF form is not filled out first, but you do have to clear with the shop they have no problem checking the correct box, and you do have to pay for it before applying for the handgun permit.  I made that crystal clear over and over.  If you latched onto one reply and ignored all my other explicit steps in proper order, then that's a comprehension issue on your part.

And, if you don't think people make honest mistakes, the comment you quoted as #8 is really #9.   

You complain about others making snarky comments and exhibiting passive aggressive behavior, then you make negative comments and exhibit passive aggressive behavior about Kaneohe Gun Shop???

You can dog on Kaneohe Gun Shop if you want, but don't be a hypocrite.

I have had nothing but positive experiences when conversing with Daniel at Kaneohe Gun Shop; I purchased items from him in the past, and would not hesitate to make future purposes from Daniel and KGS.

Back to topic: It doesn't matter what anyone stated, misstated, or failed to state, with regard to building a pump action pistol.

People can offer all kinds of suggestions and information, but at the end of the day, it is up to you (and only YOU) as the supposed builder/owner of a pump action pistol to familiarize yourself on any and all applicable rules, regulations, and statutes.

Don't ask for help, then piss and moan about the responses after others try to sincerely answer your questions... that just makes one look like a gigantic ass.

Finally, I don't believe you started this thread with any real intention of building such a pistol, anyway... but this is just my opinion

Best of luck on your project; plase share what you learn from your conversation with HPD, and please post pics of the final project.

Fair enough, you are right I shouldn't have tease KGS, it wasn't even relevant to the topic. I thought it was something someone would laugh at. I have valid criticisms from Daniel at KGS and that is where I was coming from but it isn't relevant so I will not bring it up. My apologies to KGS.

I think Maui's attempt at help were less than sincere as evidenced by his comments.

Admittedly the project got harder when I found out I need a new receiver instead of being able to use the one I already have on my AR15. And yes, believe it or not I own an AR 15 with multiple 30 round magazines. If I just wanted to debate high cap magazines I would just start a thread to debate high cap magazines.

So, one time, early in the thread, I got ahead of myself.  The ATF form is not filled out first, but you do have to clear with the shop they have no problem checking the correct box, and you do have to pay for it before applying for the handgun permit.  I made that crystal clear over and over.  If you latched onto one reply and ignored all my other explicit steps in proper order, then that's a comprehension issue on your part.

And, if you don't think people make honest mistakes, the comment you quoted as #8 is really #9.   

It is not a comprehension issue on my part I was trying to resolve conflicting information and you made it more difficult with sarcastic responses that did nothing to explain that your first response was a little misleading. I clearly stated that I did not fully understand what you were explaining because what you said seemed contrary to the right way. You replied by giving three very basic steps (that were correct) with no elaboration on your previous comment and then suggesting I don't know anything about purchasing firearms. So thank you for the correct information and I wish we could have avoided this from the beginning. Rest assured I hold no ill will against you for accidentally typing it in a way that wasn't clear as I have made such mistakes too as you clearly pointed out in the show your revolver thread.

The reply was number 8 the post was number 9.

It is not a comprehension issue on my part I was trying to resolve conflicting information and you made it more difficult with sarcastic responses that did nothing to explain that your first response was a little misleading. I clearly stated that I did not fully understand what you were explaining because what you said seemed contrary to the right way. You replied by giving three very basic steps (that were correct) with no elaboration on your previous comment and then suggesting I don't know anything about purchasing firearms. So thank you for the correct information and I wish we could have avoided this from the beginning. Rest assured I hold no ill will against you for accidentally typing it in a way that wasn't clear as I have made such mistakes too as you clearly pointed out in the show your revolver thread.

The reply was number 8 the post was number 9.

                                                                  

If the info MDog and new guy posted doesn't walk you through it, the link I posted earlier should.

Several members built AR pistols and walked everyone through the steps.

Most were semi-autos but same steps for lower.