I don't see anyone being charged....

"This case is currently classified as an assault in the second degree, and the officer's police powers have been restricted."

He's on desk duty until the investigation concludes.

Police sources say the revolver is his department approved, off-duty weapon and that he is known to take the gun out when out with friends.

What. The. Fuck. For?

I'll tell you what the fuck for...

mauidog  nailed it in his quote:

"I'm appalled at that situation," says State Senator Will Espero, "It's outrageous that somehow a loaded firearm would be out of a holster in a bar, while an individual is off-duty. I cannot imagine, what circumstances that could happen unless someone was just showing off."

However, I have noticed that in areas like New York, where firearms are severely restricted to the gneeral population, people have a strong tendency to want to see a "real gun."

Maybe the solution is to allow the general population, barring restricted persons, of course, to carry concealed weapons.

That is, to "normalize" the carry of PDFs (Personal Defense  Firearms).

Ya think?  Seems to work in the majority of other States.  That way, you don't get the "Ooo-oooo, can I see it?" phenomenon.

Terry, 230RN

At least this helps put to bed the myth that police are safer carrying guns than the general public!

 

 

Friend:  Hey.  What kine trigger weight that little .38 have? 

Cop:  I think maybe 10, 12 pounds double action.

Friend:  That seems kinda heavy.  You sure?

Cop:  Lemme check.

** BANG!! **

Cop:  You're right.  More like 7 or 8!

What. The. Fuck. For?

I'll tell you what the fuck for...

mauidog  nailed it in his quote:

However, I have noticed that in areas like New York, where firearms are severely restricted to the gneeral population, people have a strong tendency to want to see a "real gun."

Maybe the solution is to allow the general population, barring restricted persons, of course, to carry concealed weapons.

That is, to "normalize" the carry of PDFs (Personal Defense  Firearms).

Ya think?  Seems to work in a lot of other States.  That way, you don't get the "Ooo-oooo, can I see it?" phenomenon.

Terry

States that allow CCW do not allow printing under the clothing or brandishing.  If you draw your weapon, it had better be to use it.  Wanna show off a gun, take it out of public spaces.

If Hawaii only had some kind of CCW training classes, maybe things like this would not be so common ....  <sarc />

@mauidog:
Well some states aren't so restrictive in terms of printing and what constitutes "brandishing"  as all that, and some are liberalizing this kind of thing.  I mean if your coat blows open or something, that's not printing, and as you know, the mere presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, has prevented crime, and will not constitute brandishing.

@all, just for the heck of it:

LMBT, the four rules, Brooklyn style:

L  Every fuckin' gun is always fuckin' Loaded  and safeties aren't worth a shit.

M  Keep the fuckin' Muzzle pointed in a safe direction (Or at least to where you can fix the godamned hole.)

B  Keep your booger hook off the freakin' Bang switch until you're ready to put that godamned  hole in the fuckin' target.

T  Be sure of that fuckin'  Target and what's past it. 

Terry, 230RN

not so happy ending

Hi strong, handsome Mr. Policeman. You buy me drinkey?.......rub....rub...BANG! oops......SHIT!

@mauidog:
Well some states aren't so restrictive in terms of printing and what constitutes "brandishing"  as all that, and some are liberalizing this kind of thing.  I mean if your coat blows open or something, that's not printing, and as you know, the mere presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, has prevented crime, and will not constitute brandishing.

@all, just for the heck of it:

LMBT, the four rules, Brooklyn style:

L  Every fuckin' gun is always fuckin' Loaded  and safeties aren't worth a shit.

M  Keep the fuckin' Muzzle pointed in a safe direction (Or at least to where you can fix the godamned hole.)

B  Keep your booger hook off the freakin' Bang switch until you're ready to put that godamned  hole in the fuckin' target.

T  Be sure of that fuckin'  Target and what's past it. 

Terry, 230RN

So how do you really feel, Terry? 

Police sources say the officer who shot a bar employee in the abdomen early Friday morning has been known to take out his 38-caliber revolver and wave it around in social settings.

https://www.facebook.com/HawaiiNewsNow?fref=nf

Apparently, that's what they meant to say when they reported:

Police sources say the revolver is his department approved, off-duty weapon and that he is known to take the gun out when out with friends.

                

^^ "So how do you really feel, Terry?  "

Like I'm glad I got out of Brooklyn over 50 years ago and moved to Colorado.

But back on the cop case, I have no doubt that he liked to show off his off-duty gun whenever the opportunity arose --and I suspect, without being able to prove it, that the officer "generated" those opportunities whenever possible. 

As I pointed out, places with strong restrictions on firearms tend to generate high curiosity about them.

Thus, the "Oooo-oooo, can I see it?" phenomenon.  I also strongly suspect, but cannot confirm, that if carrying a PDF* were "normalized" in Hawaii, stuff like this wouldn't happen, since packing a rod would not make you an "elite" and make you want to show off how "elite" you are.

Hawaiian police officers, are you reading this?

Terry, 230RN

*PDF = Personal Defense Firearm, with an emphasis on defense.

This is bullshit.

If this were any one of us, even in our own home, we would be booked and awaiting arraignment in a cell right now. It's a fucking double standard and I am tired of it. This irresponsible asswipe shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun, and he should be in jail for doing something so incredibly stupid. All the recent ND's are bad enough, but they can at least be classified as a mistake, this is just pure idiocy. "He was known to take it out and wave it around at social gatherings"  WTF?? Who's dick is this guy sucking? Why weren't his fellow officers and commanders relieving him of his firearms and stomping his guts out?

They certainly wouldn't have a problem doing it to any of us.

.

Not sure how this would help us present CCW in a case like this. They (anti CCW) will use this as an example of why we shouldn't have. Anti: "Even a police officer can't handle a gun why should we let you?!"

I'm just as perturbed as well. If it was anyone else not LE - be it at home or other place of sojourn, we'd be in a jail cell while the investigation is underway.

This is bullshit.

If this were any one of us, even in our own home, we would be booked and awaiting arraignment in a cell right now. It's a fucking double standard and I am tired of it. This irresponsible asswipe shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun, and he should be in jail for doing something so incredibly stupid. All the recent ND's are bad enough, but they can at least be classified as a mistake, this is just pure idiocy. "He was known to take it out and wave it around at social gatherings"  WTF?? Who's dick is this guy sucking? Why weren't his fellow officers and commanders relieving him of his firearms and stomping his guts out?

They certainly wouldn't have a problem doing it to any of us.

I couldn't have said it better.  You are absolutely right.

Just saw on the news that during the press conference a reporter asked if a sobriety test was done.  The police spokesperson said they are investigating and it happened in a bar.  Didn't answer the question.
My guess is that his buddies came down and told him not to say anything and no test, just like Deedy and that other officer who ran a red light and killed a young waitress one night a few years ago on the Pali.

If it were any of us, we would have been tested or it would have been reported that we appeared intoxicated and we'd be in a cell keeping Bubba company.

If it were any of us, we would have been tested or it would have been reported that we appeared intoxicated and we'd be in a cell keeping Bubba company.
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Oh wow! I've been wondering what happened to Bubba. He came to a couple of gtg. I haven't been to any gtg in quite some time now. I haven't seen any posts from him in quite a while. Did not know he is locked up.
Bummer.

^

Like.

Edster48, I'd love to sit down and have a beer or two with you, sometime.

I'll buy first 2 rounds. 

Come out to the GTG on the 11th. Great atmosphere, fine dining and fellow firearms enthusiasts!

We always have a good time and I'd like to see you there. It's a perfect forum for discussions like this.   

I recorded something on my DVR yesterday and at the tail end it caught the beginning of the news. They were at Honolulu Firearms and they were showing a S&W revolver that was supposedly the same as the gun the HPD Officer was carrying. It cut out before the whole segment was over but the HF guy was demonstrating that it takes 12 pounds of pull to fire the gun in double action. So chances are it was not an accidental discharge.

It's okay because mayor Kenoi picked up this officers bar tab. 

Can you say "premature" discharge??   

Today's article in the Star Advertiser quotes the police department saying "the gun accidentally discharged".  They should have said "the officer accidentally discharged his gun" because had he kept his finger off the trigger....

Police said the gun "accidentally discharged" and were trying to determine whether the fired weapon — a handgun — belonged to the officer.

Trying to protect HPD from looking stupid and giving anti's the narrative that guns can accidentally go off.