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officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« on: April 05, 2015, 04:55:56 PM »
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Re: officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2015, 06:00:50 PM »
Guns and Alcohol don't mix no matter who you are. 
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2015, 09:36:29 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2015, 09:46:21 PM »
Quote from: SpeedTek on April 05, 2015, 06:00:50 PM
Guns and Alcohol don't mix no matter who you are.

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Re: officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2015, 09:47:34 PM »
Just like alcohol and cash at a bar is not a good idea either.
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2015, 09:48:45 PM »
Quote from: SpeedTek on April 05, 2015, 09:47:34 PM
Just like alcohol and cash at a bar is not a good idea either.

...or an open tab on a State of Hawaii official charge card!

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edster48

Re: officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2015, 05:25:59 AM »
Arrested, right.

More like booked and released "pending further investigation". 2 days after the incident.

Somehow I don't think that alcohol is going to play a major role in this, since it seems he wasn't given a sobriety test.

Does anyone here think they would be treated as gently under the same circumstances?
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Re: officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2015, 07:03:42 AM »
Quote from: edster48 on April 06, 2015, 05:25:59 AM
Arrested, right.

More like booked and released "pending further investigation". 2 days after the incident.

Somehow I don't think that alcohol is going to play a major role in this, since it seems he wasn't given a sobriety test.

Does anyone here think they would be treated as gently under the same circumstances?
If I was a member of the investigating law enforcement agency and the head of the union was there advising me to decline any kind of sobriety test and to say nothing on the record without a lawyer present, yes.

Since I'm not, I suspect I would have been face down on the floor with a boot on my neck and then spent however long in a cell until the exorbitant bail could be raised. Why, are you implying that the law isn't applied in an equal and even-handed manner based upon a person's place of employment?
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Drakiir84

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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2015, 07:57:57 AM »
The hypocrisy is quite horrifying.
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robtmc

Re: officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2015, 11:33:53 AM »
Quote from: Drakiir84 on April 06, 2015, 07:57:57 AM
The hypocrisy is quite horrifying.
No, it is quite expected.
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Re: officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2015, 05:24:03 PM »
Quote from: punaperson on April 06, 2015, 07:03:42 AM
If I was a member of the investigating law enforcement agency and the head of the union was there advising me to decline any kind of sobriety test and to say nothing on the record without a lawyer present, yes.

Since I'm not, I suspect I would have been face down on the floor with a boot on my neck and then spent however long in a cell until the exorbitant bail could be raised. Why, are you implying that the law isn't applied in an equal and even-handed manner based upon a person's place of employment?

Yes. 
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edster48

Re: officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2015, 05:29:13 PM »
Quote from: Drakiir84 on April 06, 2015, 07:57:57 AM
The hypocrisy is quite horrifying.

Quote from: robtmc on April 06, 2015, 11:33:53 AM
No, it is quite expected.

Therein lies the problem.
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justin1098

Re: officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2015, 08:09:14 PM »
City police departments need to go away and be replaced by sheriffs. The Sheriff works for the people, the chief of police works for the mayor.
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one2boost

Re: officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2015, 05:39:26 AM »
Quote from: justin1098 on April 07, 2015, 08:09:14 PM
City police departments need to go away and be replaced by sheriffs. The Sheriff works for the people, the chief of police works for the mayor.

Please explain as how the 2 are different.  I admit I'm a bit naïve when it comes to this sort of thing.  How does the city/county police departments do not work for the people?
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justin1098

Re: officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2015, 06:11:10 AM »
Quote from: one2boost on April 08, 2015, 05:39:26 AM
Please explain as how the 2 are different.  I admit I'm a bit naïve when it comes to this sort of thing.  How does the city/county police departments do not work for the people?

The sheriff is elected. They chief of police is appointed by the mayor.
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survivorman

Re: officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2015, 07:16:39 AM »
Not in Hawaii, don't think we even have a Sheriff, just Deputies.
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punaperson

Re: officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2015, 07:17:51 AM »
Quote from: justin1098 on April 08, 2015, 06:11:10 AM
The sheriff is elected. They chief of police is appointed by the mayor.
As with recall, term limits, initiative and referendum, having an elected sheriff/chief law enforcement officer would actually allow for some kind (admittedly minimal, see: California's Peruta/Richards) accountability and possible consequences to citizens (via elections) for egregious or unconstitutional behavior and/or enforcement of illegal policies and practices, thus no such thing exists in Hawaii where one-party-rule/tyranny is the modus operandi.
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Tom

Re: officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2015, 05:36:28 PM »
Quote from: justin1098 on April 08, 2015, 06:11:10 AM
The sheriff is elected. They chief of police is appointed by the mayor.

Even worse, I think.  I believe the chief of Police is appointed by the Police Commission!
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asinapple8805

Re: officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2015, 10:12:15 PM »
In Hawaii, the Sheriff is the state law enforcement agency under the Department of Public Safety.  That department is under the Executive Branch.

The Honolulu Police Department is a local law enforcement agency under the Office of the Mayor of the City and Country of Honolulu.
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mauidog

Re: officer in bar shooting arrested sunday
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2015, 10:34:56 PM »
Quote from: asinapple8805 on April 08, 2015, 10:12:15 PM
In Hawaii, the Sheriff is the state law enforcement agency under the Department of Public Safety.  That department is under the Executive Branch.

The Honolulu Police Department is a local law enforcement agency under the Office of the Mayor of the City and Country of Honolulu.

Even worse, when you have a labor union backing you, any remaining individual accountability goes down the toilet pretty fast!
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