Self Protection (Read 30565 times)

RSN172

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2015, 10:55:38 PM »
Q, I disagree with your opinion as to the effectiveness of the CS sjambok.  Some 20 yr old guys I know were playing around with it and one guy hit his friend in the leg with about 10% power and he dropped to the ground holding his leg and telling the other guy he was going to kill him. LOL.  He had quite a welt.  Here is an interesting article and video on the CS sjambok.

www.donrearic.com/mightysjambok.html



Happily living in Puna

yurcarmeean

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2015, 11:28:02 PM »
so since a telescopic baton is an offensive weapon it is prohibited to carry in sheath on belt? 
If you stay ready, you don't have to get ready.

Q

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2015, 12:46:35 AM »
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Q

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2015, 01:34:09 AM »
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1voyager1

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2015, 03:28:47 PM »
... . Body language is very important.  ...

I agree.
I have used body language to turn black bear, not having to use the .44 mag in my hand.
I have also used body language to turn aggressive threatening dogs with only a rolled up beach towel, a kitchen knife or nothing in my hands being displayed as a weapon.
Body language is what turned those dobies mentioned in my OP.
This was the second time I've confronted aggressive threatening dogs while accompanied by a female with nothing in my hands to protect either of us with.
Sometimes body language fails.
If it does, I want to stop the threat without fail.

From the videos, I do not see the sjambok as being practically effective.
It requires too much effort to use it and it becomes ineffective when the threat gets too close.
The assegai on the other hand can be used to jab and slash so close that you might cut yourself in the process.
That is my definition of a defensive weapon.
Although, I would prefer to have a gun in my hand.

 



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An armed society is a polite society.

Q

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2015, 03:42:41 PM »
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1voyager1

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2015, 09:31:29 PM »

... You can also pilot a lanyard hole at the end of the shaft and thread a 550 cord loop through, which would be placed around the hand between the thumb and index finger.

As you position your grip toward the middle of the shaft, it will put tension on the cord and aid in preventing your hand sliding down the shaft toward the blade.

I like the lanyard idea.
I envision one similar to the type I used to use on an ice ax.
It kept the hand from sliding around on the handle.
And, it seemed to strengthen my grip on the ax.
An armed society is a polite society.

Q

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2015, 09:32:21 PM »
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gtfour43

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2015, 07:08:58 AM »
How about a can of CarbKleen?  It burns the eyes.  I got a lot of that sitting on the shelf.

chlorinated brakleen  :thumbsup: blinded myself a few times doing brake jobs.

BigBlue

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2015, 06:51:32 PM »
I agree.
I have used body language to turn black bear, not having to use the .44 mag in my hand.
I have also used body language to turn aggressive threatening dogs with only a rolled up beach towel, a kitchen knife or nothing in my hands being displayed as a weapon.
Body language is what turned those dobies mentioned in my OP.
This was the second time I've confronted aggressive threatening dogs while accompanied by a female with nothing in my hands to protect either of us with.
Sometimes body language fails.
If it does, I want to stop the threat without fail.

From the videos, I do not see the sjambok as being practically effective.
It requires too much effort to use it and it becomes ineffective when the threat gets too close.
The assegai on the other hand can be used to jab and slash so close that you might cut yourself in the process.
That is my definition of a defensive weapon.
Although, I would prefer to have a gun in my hand.

I understand. Growing up we lived at the end of a long dirt road and lots of unleashed dog packs along it. Individuals can be handled okay but they really are pack animals. So I really do understand.

have you considered bringing it up with neighbours (if they're pets) or animal control of wild?

one2boost

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2015, 07:04:18 AM »
Like many others, I have made that mistake a few times spraying carbkleen.

Rocky

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2015, 09:52:48 AM »
I've mentioned this before in another post .
A car antenna hurts like hell and is perfectly legal.
A quick whip to the dog's face (or pretty much anywhere else) will turn it around.
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
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Q

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2015, 12:38:00 AM »
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one2boost

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2015, 08:30:06 AM »
When confronted with an aggressive dog when I was a youngster, for some reason I remember some dogs flinch and back away, when you act like you are picking up a rock and acting like you are ready to throw it.  It's a gamble though, it didn't work on all dogs.

Drakiir84

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2015, 09:53:38 AM »
You can open carry any knife.
You can not conceal carry dirks, daggers and knives similar to that.
You can not conceal carry knives with knuckles like some WWI trench knives.
You can conceal any other type of knife.

I've carried a knife every day since freshman year and will continue to do so when we finally get to CCW our guns.  If I'm wearing a belt I have a 9" (total length) fixed blade, if I don't have a belt then I carry a folder. 

Big blades are cute and all, but through combative knife training I've found smaller blades to be superior especially in a defensive scenario.  My stance is that if you have time to wind up a machete to take out a family dog then you're being too proactive.  If a dog does in fact attack you you'll easily be able to draw and manipulate a smaller knife where as a big blade would be clunky and cumbersome.
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"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

BokChoy

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2015, 09:27:19 PM »
Really guys and gals. Are you so blood thirsty at knifing or shooting a dog that you don't know whether tame or not? Some large dogs such as a Doberman can be fierce only as a facade and not dangerous. I used to have Dobermans that would do this to intruders but would back away from a real fight. I never let them loose from my yard on purpose although one time they escaped but were caught by the Humane Society and returned to me. They were pleased that the dogs gave up so easily and were tame. If you ever owned and played with a large breed dog, you will know that you don't need a weapon to fend them off, hand and body maneuvers are all you need from getting bit. Dogs only have one weapon, their mouth, and it is fairly easy to push at their heads to avoid it.
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Bota-CS1

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2015, 10:09:40 PM »
Really guys and gals. Are you so blood thirsty at knifing or shooting a dog that you don't know whether tame or not? Some large dogs such as a Doberman can be fierce only as a facade and not dangerous. I used to have Dobermans that would do this to intruders but would back away from a real fight. I never let them loose from my yard on purpose although one time they escaped but were caught by the Humane Society and returned to me. They were pleased that the dogs gave up so easily and were tame. If you ever owned and played with a large breed dog, you will know that you don't need a weapon to fend them off, hand and body maneuvers are all you need from getting bit. Dogs only have one weapon, their mouth, and it is fairly easy to push at their heads to avoid it.

Hi Greg!  Please share with us all so we can be educated about these "manuevers".  Have you tried these "manuevers" on non-familiar animals yourself?  We are fortunate that we don't have to worry about rabis here in Hawaii, but everywhere else, the LAST thing you should ever do is go hands on with an agitated animal. 
No one is coming, it’s up to us.

Legislation should never be about depriving law abiding citizens of something, but rather taking those things away from criminals.

BokChoy

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2015, 11:03:09 PM »
Bota, I'm not Gregg. So you think it is OK to just hurt an animal that may be somebody's pet? Read carefully at what I wrote . I guess fear is all you can think off and killing the animal is the solution.

Bota-CS1

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2015, 06:31:39 AM »
Ok Greg!  Don't change the subject by trying to deflect - what are these "manuevers".  Your advice is, "Dogs only have one weapon, their mouth, and it is fairly easy to push at their heads to avoid it."   ???  You just told me to avoid putting my hands near their mouth!  Senpai, your advice contradicts itself.  I really don't believe you've ever had to defend yourself from an animal that was really intent on hurting you. 



No one is coming, it’s up to us.

Legislation should never be about depriving law abiding citizens of something, but rather taking those things away from criminals.

BokChoy

Re: Self Protection
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2015, 11:45:00 AM »
Bota. I am not going argue my case against an idiot like you. You have never owned a dog have you? I can see that already. I am a long time hunter, having killed wild boars with knives and dogs. I have even captured some with bare hands, had one that stopped breathing and then I revived it. I know where to place a good fist hit to kill a hog. Really, don't think I know nothing about animals.  If this forum is going to rally for unnecessary animal deaths, then I quit this forum. I will not be coming back on.