Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart (Read 21926 times)

Antithesis

Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« on: April 13, 2015, 01:01:39 AM »


This might be one of the craziest videos I've ever seen.  A family of eight suspected of shoplifting and assaulting a Walmart employee starts a brawl with police and walmart employees in the parking lot that lasts almost eight minutes.  Shots are fired about five minutes in and one of the suspects is killed but  the family keeps fighting.   

The media is trying to portray the family as hardcore-christian-right-wing-survivalist-types... which seems pretty accurate based on what I've read so far. The media is also in that same breath trying to play the game of "aha gotcha" with the police to pin them for brutality and excessive use of force, but to me every bit of force in this video seems absolutely necessary for the survival of the officers, if anything they may have even shown too much restraint.  Thankfully the assaulting family was white so no one will be able to play the ever handy "victimized race card", but you can only imagine the wild sentimentalization had some slightly-more-pigmented--people thrown those punches. 
« Last Edit: April 13, 2015, 02:28:18 AM by Antithesis »
"Si vis pacem, para bellum"
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survivorman

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2015, 03:13:31 AM »
That Is a pretty crazy scenario! :o
Pretty sure that was the "Alaskan Bush People", the Brown family......Bear was going nuts!!

At least that's what I was thinking as I watched.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2015, 03:19:15 AM by survivorman »

dustoff003

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2015, 11:37:41 AM »
Wow that seemed very disorganized, quite the melee. It's surprising only one person was shoot on either side.

Newb

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2015, 01:27:32 PM »
And by even mentioning the race and saying thankfully they were white you played the race card anyway. Good job! It was a good summary up to that unnecessary bit of information. Much like the news stations you added unnecessary racial bias.

Antithesis

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2015, 03:02:32 PM »
And by even mentioning the race and saying thankfully they were white you played the race card anyway. Good job! It was a good summary up to that unnecessary bit of information. Much like the news stations you added unnecessary racial bias.

Meh, if the shoe fits.  I just wanted to use the alliteration of pigmented people throwing punches.   ::)
"Si vis pacem, para bellum"
If you wish for peace, prepare for war

paka808

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2015, 03:55:54 PM »
Damn, those guys was like don't touch me and starting swinging, the officers didn't expect that, it seems respect for the police is diminishing rapidly,I mean guys will just walk up to a police car and just empty a clip.

paka808

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2015, 03:59:50 PM »
Meh, if the shoe fits.  I just wanted to use the alliteration of pigmented people throwing punches.   ::)
OH NO YOU DIDNT!! Use the 3ps..lol :thumbsup:

bass monkey

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2015, 04:20:45 PM »
wow crazy video.  The cops showed lots of restraint.  I don't get why the cop is standing there talking to the guy while his partners are getting beat up.  Maybe the police had more respect for the people than the people had for the police. 

djsmiles808

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2015, 04:32:56 PM »
@3:40 misfire?

Heavies

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2015, 04:39:22 PM »
IMHO. Respect for law enforcement has been on the decline, as resepect for our government leaders has declined.

I think a shit ton of people bought into the BS being fed them for the last 6 years, and more?,  now seeing that nothing fruitful has come of it, AND  the economy in as much peril as it was previous.... amongst other issues plaguing the planet at this time.... with no real leadership or hopeful outlook.   People on all sides are pretty pissy and the atmosphere ripe for anarchy. 

As planned and designed?  ??? 

TastesLikeMetal

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2015, 08:08:25 PM »
I mean guys will just walk up to a police car and just empty a clip.

Woah buddy, it's a MAGAZINE not a clip... ;)  couldn't resist

paka808

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2015, 09:09:34 PM »
Woah buddy, it's a MAGAZINE not a clip... ;)  couldn't resist
lol,a that's my gansta lingo,i even turn my handgun to the side when firing..

ren

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2015, 09:13:22 PM »
IMHO. Respect for law enforcement has been on the decline, as resepect for our government leaders has declined.

I think a shit ton of people bought into the BS being fed them for the last 6 years, and more?,  now seeing that nothing fruitful has come of it, AND  the economy in as much peril as it was previous.... amongst other issues plaguing the planet at this time.... with no real leadership or hopeful outlook.   People on all sides are pretty pissy and the atmosphere ripe for anarchy. 

As planned and designed?  ???

I agree. Glad I'm not the only one seeing this, I hope it is just my realist perspective. A sense of narcissism brought on by social media. Lack of ownership of actions. It's all about me. Only God can judge me mentality. Ainokea movement.
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xer 21

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2015, 09:35:22 PM »
wtf?

also, at 7:59 a cop literally tosses his gun to another cop.  because the next thing we really needed was a negligent disharge killing someone else.

macsak

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2015, 10:19:12 PM »


This might be one of the craziest videos I've ever seen.  A family of eight suspected of shoplifting and assaulting a Walmart employee starts a brawl with police and walmart employees in the parking lot that lasts almost eight minutes.  Shots are fired about five minutes in and one of the suspects is killed but  the family keeps fighting.   

The media is trying to portray the family as hardcore-christian-right-wing-survivalist-types... which seems pretty accurate based on what I've read so far. The media is also in that same breath trying to play the game of "aha gotcha" with the police to pin them for brutality and excessive use of force, but to me every bit of force in this video seems absolutely necessary for the survival of the officers, if anything they may have even shown too much restraint.  Thankfully the assaulting family was white so no one will be able to play the ever handy "victimized race card", but you can only imagine the wild sentimentalization had some slightly-more-pigmented--people thrown those punches.

i don't know, maybe i'm interpreting things differently than everyone else
to me, the initial officers did a very poor job of controlling the situation when they arrived on scene
they did not take control of the situation, instead just rushed into the group and then the biggest guy in the tan clothing started swinging
this seemed to be an employee going after one of the family members
the guy in the tan was huge, but was not very effective at taking that other guy down
he hit him repeatedly, without much effect at all
the guy he was hitting was wide, but was not a fighter either
the initial officers were equally lousy fighters
those guys seemed more like big hicks rather than hardcore survivalists
real tough guys coulda taken those cops out easily
the initial officers did not control the situation at all with first quiet discussion than firmer voice commands, and then non-lethal stuff
it seemed like a long time into the fight before they even used batons, and i only heard tasers after the backup arrived
the backups seemed to initially turn the tide, but then it got really ugly
and not one of the subdued bad guys that you can see were ever cuffed

to me, it was a cluster fuck all around
but if you watch the way they were standing and their behavior when the police are arriving, they were not there to fight cops or take down the government
it could've went down differently in my mind

and why did they move that injured cop?
the situation was under control and you don't know the extent of the wounds

Kingkeoni

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2015, 11:45:59 PM »
i don't know, maybe i'm interpreting things differently than everyone else
to me, the initial officers did a very poor job of controlling the situation when they arrived on scene
they did not take control of the situation, instead just rushed into the group and then the biggest guy in the tan clothing started swinging
this seemed to be an employee going after one of the family members
the guy in the tan was huge, but was not very effective at taking that other guy down
he hit him repeatedly, without much effect at all
the guy he was hitting was wide, but was not a fighter either
the initial officers were equally lousy fighters
those guys seemed more like big hicks rather than hardcore survivalists
real tough guys coulda taken those cops out easily
the initial officers did not control the situation at all with first quiet discussion than firmer voice commands, and then non-lethal stuff
it seemed like a long time into the fight before they even used batons, and i only heard tasers after the backup arrived
the backups seemed to initially turn the tide, but then it got really ugly
and not one of the subdued bad guys that you can see were ever cuffed

to me, it was a cluster fuck all around
but if you watch the way they were standing and their behavior when the police are arriving, they were not there to fight cops or take down the government
it could've went down differently in my mind

and why did they move that injured cop?
the situation was under control and you don't know the extent of the wounds

1) I definitely agree. The initial police officer contact is aggressive and seems to infuriate and escalate this family and situation.

2) Regardless of whether or not the officer(s) handled the situation wrong, there is no excuse for getting into a family brawl with the officers.

3) It's easy for us to Monday morning quarterback this incident from our comfortable homes, but when placed in the situation where we had to make these same decisions, who knows how it would have transpired.
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macsak

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2015, 01:05:21 AM »
3) It's easy for us to Monday morning quarterback this incident from our comfortable homes, but when placed in the situation where we had to make these same decisions, who knows how it would have transpired.

agreed

edster48

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2015, 05:37:32 AM »
IMHO. Respect for law enforcement has been on the decline, as resepect for our government leaders has declined.

I think a shit ton of people bought into the BS being fed them for the last 6 years, and more?,  now seeing that nothing fruitful has come of it, AND  the economy in as much peril as it was previous.... amongst other issues plaguing the planet at this time.... with no real leadership or hopeful outlook.   People on all sides are pretty pissy and the atmosphere ripe for anarchy. 

As planned and designed?  ??? 

+1   :thumbsup:

Remember the old strategy "Divide and conquer". It works. They've been proving it for the last 50 years, incrementally driving a wedge between the people of this country along the fault line of the "haves" and "have not's". Insinuating, for example, that the reason a Fortune 500 CEO makes 100 million a year is due to amorphous concepts like "White privilege" and "Income inequality" instead of hard work, sacrifice and education.

Hell, why shouldn't a high school dropout flipping burgers make the same?

Unless a real leader steps out of the shadows, this is going to end in either a police state or civil war. I haven't seen one yet.....


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Then always be a pirate.

justin1098

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2015, 08:34:42 AM »
When keepin' it real goes wrong.

asinapple8805

Re: Fatal Shooting at Airozna Cottonwood Walmart
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2015, 08:37:25 AM »
Isn't Arizona an open carry state?  It's hard to say whether adding additional firearms into this mix would have made the situation better or worse.