GZire:  The Coco Palms is only a ruined shell. 
The Elvis Wedding Chapel is open and still marrying people.
The Wife "wants" certain items from there as momentos of our getting married there.
There is a Book about it, We have a copy, I know she wants it autographed. One of these days.

Cougar8045, If you have children, ask your wife what she would do to Protect them from a sexual predator?
Take it from there.
If she is against any kind of self defense, then she has to totally RE-Think her value system.  If she refuses to
protect herself then she has problems.
She should be asking herself about her self worth.  Victim or Survivor?  Can she live with herself if she was a  willing victim.
Can you live with her if she was a Victim?

FYI,Most marriages fall apart when the woman is a victim of sexual assault.  Many husbands can't handle and the marriage ends in divorce.

Many years ago, I met a Woman who said  she would submit herself to a rapist as long as her 3 Daughters were safe.  She told me that she would give the
rapist "the ride of his life", after she tired him out and he fell asleep, she planned to Kill him and make him suffer while she did it......

One of the reasons Why I like to teach Women how to shoot is because I have met women who have been raped. 

You DO NOT mess with those women, they are Survivors and will do their Best to STOP a rape from happening.

You can say, where these women are concerned, "Thelma and Louise" is a training film.

Many years ago, I met a Woman who said  she would submit herself to a rapist as long as her 3 Daughters were safe.  She told me that she would give the
rapist "the ride of his life", after she tired him out and he fell asleep, she planned to Kill him and make him suffer while she did it......

this reminds me of the Petit Home Invasion story out of Connecticut. very tragic, 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/TheLaw/gruesome-petit-trial-testimony-suspects-snapped-photos-assaults/story?id=11710077

Quote from: Old Guy on October 19, 2011, 12:03:44 AM

Many years ago, I met a Woman who said  she would submit herself to a rapist as long as her 3 Daughters were safe.  She told me that she would give the
rapist "the ride of his life", after she tired him out and he fell asleep, she planned to Kill him and make him suffer while she did it......

this reminds me of the Petit Home Invasion story out of Connecticut. very tragic, 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/TheLaw/gruesome-petit-trial-testimony-suspects-snapped-photos-assaults/story?id=11710077

Jesus.  I had forgotten about that story, fortunately.  Of course, last time I read it, it wasn't so bad; I didn't have a daughter yet.

On many gun forums, men who are thinking of getting married are advised to Seriously check the woman out in terms of guns

 and anything else the guy feels is important to him.

If she fails, PASS.  Find one hat likes shooting and is OK with you buying guns.

If she likes dogs, trucks, boat and airplanes, your marriage prospects are Great.

Check her out before marriage.  I did, I know what my Wife had to be good to go with when dating.

I met her criteria and she mine, we got married, have been for over 20 years.

Quote from: mokeanne on October 20, 2011, 12:53:03 PM

Quote from: Old Guy on October 19, 2011, 12:03:44 AM

Many years ago, I met a Woman who said  she would submit herself to a rapist as long as her 3 Daughters were safe.  She told me that she would give the
rapist "the ride of his life", after she tired him out and he fell asleep, she planned to Kill him and make him suffer while she did it......

this reminds me of the Petit Home Invasion story out of Connecticut. very tragic, 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/TheLaw/gruesome-petit-trial-testimony-suspects-snapped-photos-assaults/story?id=11710077

Jesus.  I had forgotten about that story, fortunately.  Of course, last time I read it, it wasn't so bad; I didn't have a daughter yet.

out of all the dateline, 48 hrs mystery, and 20/20 shows that i've watched, the feature they did on this particular crime was the most impressionable one.

i  wonder if things would have turned out differently if they owned firearms.

Don't think that a gun in the Petit situation would have changed much as they did not seem to have the "survival" mind set.

What happened got a lot of people to thinking and firearms were sold as a "feel good" measure.

People have to change their Thinking, just having a handgun alone will not be enough.

They have to have the mindset to USE the firearm and to become proficient in it's use.

Best example is Wm Shatner as Denny Crane in "Boston Legal" whenhe drops the mugger in the parking garage.

Then says, "America, Land of Liberty Valance".  A n old movie starring John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart and Lee Marvin

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Shot_Liberty_Valance

Don't think that a gun in the Petit situation would have changed much as they did not seem to have the "survival" mind set.

What happened got a lot of people to thinking and firearms were sold as a "feel good" measure.

People have to change their Thinking, just having a handgun alone will not be enough.

They have to have the mindset to USE the firearm and to become proficient in it's use.

Best example is Wm Shatner as Denny Crane in "Boston Legal" whenhe drops the mugger in the parking garage.

Then says, "America, Land of Liberty Valance".  A n old movie starring John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart and Lee Marvin

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Shot_Liberty_Valance

I was typing a reply to that effect, but got frustrated by this crappy keyboard and quit.  The most important part of armed self defense is, in this noob's opinion, mindset.  The Marine Corps Rules of Gunfighting are good for a chuckle, but one of them I really do take to heart: "Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough."  I think a lot of people miss that point.  It's not  nice, it's not clean, or fun, or anything; at some point in an encounter like the Petits, the good guy has to A) recognize, and B) come to terms with, the fact that somebody is going to be very seriously injured or possibly killed.  I really think a lot of people aren't able to fully embrace that concept; so even if they have a gun, they're pulling it out and pointing it at the bad guy in the hopes that this can somehow still come to an agreeable conclusion for all involved.  It can't.  Embrace the suck; somebody isn't walking out of this house.  I don't like it, I wish you hadn't come here, I wish you hadn't chosen me, I wish, I wish, I wish...  But you did, and when it comes down to it, friend, it won't be me or mine on the gurney, not today, not if I can help it.

Wife finally decided to join us at the range today!!!     Completely out of the blue.  I gave up asking her a while ago, but this morning as my son and I were loading up, she said she wanted to join us....  On the way there I asked her why and she said that if the SHTF, she should at least know how to operate it.  So after about 45 min. of going over the safety and operation, she started shooting and she even admitted to having fun.  Today was a good day.  Although on the ride home she threw in the comment, "just because I had fun doesn't mean you can buy more guns..."  (that's what SHE thinks...)

Wife finally decided to join us at the range today!!!     Completely out of the blue.  I gave up asking her a while ago, but this morning as my son and I were loading up, she said she wanted to join us....  On the way there I asked her why and she said that if the SHTF, she should at least know how to operate it.  So after about 45 min. of going over the safety and operation, she started shooting and she even admitted to having fun.  Today was a good day.  Although on the ride home she threw in the comment, "just because I had fun doesn't mean you can buy more guns..."  (that's what SHE thinks...)

Keep at it , get her out to the Life, HRA, HDF shoots -- and then she will want her own guns imo ;P.

Wife willh have more fun if you show her guns in different Colors and finishes.

Mine is very partial to BBQ guns. Guns with lots of Bling. Gold engraving, special finish, limited editions.

Especially high end Berettas.  Costs me Lots more for one of hers. Could get 2 or 3 of mine.

They're ALL shooters, no safe queens.  She loves the comments she get from other women shooters.

Be Warned that once she gets "her" gun, she most likely will want More "pretty" guns. 

That'll really start costing you.  Be surprised how well she can shoot "her" gun.

My fiancé knew that I had a handgun when we started dating.. She's ok with me to go to the range once a week but she won't go... It 'my' thing according to her... Which is cool with me..

She did try my Airsoft GBB H&K USP and after a mag she was like 'meh'...

Now she calls me a redneck due to SOG on TV.... LOL... She tells me (as a joke) that 'we're not moving to Tennessee!' when I'm cleaning my guns in the garage.. gotta luv that sense of humor....

Wife willh have more fun if you show her guns in different Colors and finishes.

Mine is very partial to BBQ guns. Guns with lots of Bling. Gold engraving, special finish, limited editions.

Especially high end Berettas.  Costs me Lots more for one of hers. Could get 2 or 3 of mine.

They're ALL shooters, no safe queens.  She loves the comments she get from other women shooters.

Be Warned that once she gets "her" gun, she most likely will want More "pretty" guns. 

That'll really start costing you.  Be surprised how well she can shoot "her" gun.

Actually, IMHO, you're better off letting her decide what SHE wants....it MAY be that pink Glock, or it MAY be the standard blued revolver with the wood grip, or something else. It all boils down to letting THEM decide. And, here's a hint: If, after you finally get your SO out to the range she expresses some preference for a gun, don't ever, ever, ever, say anything like "I don't think you'd like that" or "I think that this [other] gun would work better for you." It will undoubtedly end up biting you in the *ss. Just get her the gun she wants, and let things go from there.....at worst she won't use it (so maybe you can...) and at best, you'll have a partner that actually likes to spend time at the range.

The wife surprised me by digging out my Walther PPS airsoft pistol last night to top off her costume.  It's a baby step, but she previously lumped that thing in with the rest of the guns, so  it shocked my socks off when she brought it out to me and said, "hey, can you make sure this thing is, like, unloaded or on safe, or whatever so I can use it with my costume?"  She even had me dig out the POS holster I've got for the old Beretta so she could pack it properly.  Baby step?  Definitely.  Maybe not even quite a baby step yet, but she's at least crawling, and one would hope that it'll be a short leap of logic for her to understand that if an airsoft pistol can be rendered safe to carry, the same can be done with the real McCoy.  We can hope, at any rate, eh?

The wife surprised me by digging out my Walther PPS airsoft pistol last night to top off her costume.  It's a baby step, but she previously lumped that thing in with the rest of the guns, so  it shocked my socks off when she brought it out to me and said, "hey, can you make sure this thing is, like, unloaded or on safe, or whatever so I can use it with my costume?"  She even had me dig out the POS holster I've got for the old Beretta so she could pack it properly.  Baby step?  Definitely.  Maybe not even quite a baby step yet, but she's at least crawling, and one would hope that it'll be a short leap of logic for her to understand that if an airsoft pistol can be rendered safe to carry, the same can be done with the real McCoy.  We can hope, at any rate, eh?

My feelings exactly.

The wife surprised me by digging out my Walther PPS airsoft pistol last night to top off her costume.  It's a baby step, but she previously lumped that thing in with the rest of the guns, so  it shocked my socks off when she brought it out to me and said, "hey, can you make sure this thing is, like, unloaded or on safe, or whatever so I can use it with my costume?"  She even had me dig out the POS holster I've got for the old Beretta so she could pack it properly.  Baby step?  Definitely.  Maybe not even quite a baby step yet, but she's at least crawling, and one would hope that it'll be a short leap of logic for her to understand that if an airsoft pistol can be rendered safe to carry, the same can be done with the real McCoy.  We can hope, at any rate, eh?

Nice Cougar!

My fiancé knew that I had a handgun when we started dating.. She's ok with me to go to the range once a week but she won't go... It 'my' thing according to her... Which is cool with me..

She did try my Airsoft GBB H&K USP and after a mag she was like 'meh'...

Now she calls me a redneck due to SOG on TV.... LOL... She tells me (as a joke) that 'we're not moving to Tennessee!' when I'm cleaning my guns in the garage.. gotta luv that sense of humor....

You would be fine moving to Tennessee, SOG is Louisiana.

After reading all this, I am reminded how lucky I am to have a girlfriend who loves shooting. I agree with all the points others made bout starting them off with .22s, shooting at something other that paper, and letting them choose what they want to shoot. I started out by making it fun for her on the silhouette side, both of us trying to hit the same target at the same time. She's got the right mindset, and even EDCs a light a and a Kershaw now. I used to have girlfriends who'd drop the whole "why should I worry, you're here" line on me, but this one knows that I won't always be home to look out for her. As for the Petit case, I hope it serves to shut up all those from the "give the rapist what they want" crowd.

Tell your wife or SO that shooting is a "relationship-building exercise"...

Dang. I was searching around for "eyeglasses" and somehow this thread was flagged. So I read it.

I don't even remember anything about eyeglasses anywhere?!

But this is still a valid discussion, if anyone wants to continue.

Otherwise I will drop it.

hmmm...never heard of anyone that has a phobia of guns...maybe, just keep having her play with the guns, even not actual shooting (just handling unloaded guns at home, assembly/disassembly, dry firing)...Maybe her phobia is the loud noise, or the recoil, or...something else.  Ask her and just try to figure out what's about guns and shooting, she is really afraid of...good luck!

Old thread but interesting discussion, My girlfriend had never really been around guns until she met me. Her father is an avid hunter and outdoorsman and he owns several guns but she had never used them or really was taught about guns. The day I came home with the first "real" gun I bought, a 1911, she was a bit apprehensive about having a gun in the house but since then we have taken a handgun course together which really helped her because it wasn't me doing the teaching and she was able to fire several other handguns. I now have several more guns and we get out to the range when we can, which is not nearly often enough. She enjoys shooting the .22 pistol I have, No so much the 10/22 carbine I have due to the weight of holding it up from a standing position.  She also really enjoys the 12 gauge just because I bring milk jugs and gatoraid bottles full of water to blow up and of course that is always fun. She has also shot the 1911 on her own accord but does not enjoy it as much due to the recoil, when she shoots that gun she is more focused on just hanging onto it than hitting a target.

We have only gone to the range a few times due to the distance and ammo prices/shortage but once we move back to the mainland we are going to join a club with a range that is close by and I plan on going once a week at least myself, I am sure it will be a regular occurence for us. I know she would also be interested in getting her own gun once we move back, something that fits her just as she likes and possibly even to the point of carrying as we both have our permits to carry.

There are a few things she does not like though... For one she is not happy when I forget to stand on the right side of her and .45 cases come flying back at her.

I also can't shoot my larger guns without bothering her when she is shooting due to the noise. We haven't gone and shot my AR yet but I think she will find that to be pretty fun, especially if I put the bipod on for her.

Everytime I get something new I try to show her how it works, what all the buttons/levers whatever do and take it apart to give her an idea of the inner workings and how everything functions together but I don't think she understands it as much... I guess its like taking someone who doesn't know anything about cars and pointing out all the stuff under the hood and how it works. In one ear out the other. lol