What are your thoughts and how would you handle it (Read 25963 times)

Mynah

What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« on: May 19, 2015, 02:21:01 PM »
As the subject states, your at KKH rifle range and someone on your left is shooting some sort of semi-auto rifle and shells are flying everywhere.

I'm trying to be open about this and I can't be the only one this has happened to, but I'm having a hard time and don't want to offend anybody. 

Simply put, is it feasible to make it mandatory to require a shooting net or barrier of some sort -at least when shooting semi's where the shells come out with force and are hot.

Your thoughts?

Aloha

oldfart

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2015, 02:43:59 PM »
I don't think it's possible to force anybody to put up a barrier.
It's like trying to force every driver to obey the speed limit. Ain't gonna happen.
Should be pretty simple to build a net to clamp to the bench to block the brass.
You could probably build a few and sell them.
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stangzilla

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2015, 03:16:19 PM »
I've been hit by spent cases as well.
I wish people were more considerate to others, but its not required.

last time i went, an ejected brass opened a small cut on my forehead
but it was from my own 1911.  the brass hit the wood roof support and came back and hit me in the forehead.
but i didn't even flinch.  kept on shooting.  LOL.   :thumbsup:

OGC

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2015, 03:16:58 PM »
As the subject states, your at KKH rifle range and someone on your left is shooting some sort of semi-auto rifle and shells are flying everywhere.

I'm trying to be open about this and I can't be the only one this has happened to, but I'm having a hard time and don't want to offend anybody. 

Simply put, is it feasible to make it mandatory to require a shooting net or barrier of some sort -at least when shooting semi's where the shells come out with force and are hot.

Your thoughts?

Aloha

Its completely normal.  Just like being concerned about the loud noises they are making... its a shooting range...

That being said, I would find it rare that if its bothering you simply ask and they would be more than happy to switch benches at the next break.  As in almost all cases the brass only goes on direction, problem solved!

dustoff003

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2015, 03:21:25 PM »
If I bring three rifles they all will eject and throw brass a different direction, AK sideways and 4 benches down, PTR-91 out to 1:30 and 3/4 of the way down the hill, SKS straight up into the roof. I'd say it would be a courtesy to catch or deflect your brass to avoid it raining on fellow shooters. When I first shot my AK I had no idea the brass was going where it was going I was having too much fun, one of the RO's took the little wood thing and flipped it up and put it in the ejection path to deflect the casings. If I get hit I don't mind unless it goes down my shirt, I will wear shoes and a had to mitigate the damage.

Drakiir84

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2015, 04:04:30 PM »
Doesn't bother me at all, in fact when I take friends to the range I'll often stand between my shooter and the shooter on the left to block spent casings from hitting the newbie.  I kind of see it like going to a water park and not expecting to get wet.  If you have a problem with getting hit then you can move or suck it up.

To answer your specific question I don't think it should be made mandatory.  You could also bring an extra net to lend to the guy on your left but I personally wouldn't use it, obstructs my shooting comfort ;-)
"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

Inspector

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2015, 04:19:46 PM »
I always go up to the person and ask nicely to do something about it. And I have had some mokes tell me to F@ck off. I then talk to the range officer and they make them contain their brass. Also, they will announce it when the range first opens that you are required to contain your brass. So if they don't the range officers will make them. BTW that applies to the pistol side as well.

I want to add that if it is an occasional piece of brass flying over I don't bother. But if it is constant then see above.
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new guy

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2015, 07:04:15 PM »
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Bota-CS1

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2015, 08:30:16 PM »
But even if the shooter turns out to be an asshole, at least you went out of your way to try to be an Ambassador to the Shooting Sports!

You're always going to run into someone who doesn't give a sh*t about others.  Not much you can do so don't let it bother you.  If the problem continues get the attention of the RO.  That usually clears up any problems. 
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oldfart

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2015, 09:07:07 PM »
I always go up to the person and ask nicely to do something about it. And I have had some mokes tell me to F@ck off. I then talk to the range officer and they make them contain their brass. Also, they will announce it when the range first opens that you are required to contain your brass. So if they don't the range officers will make them. BTW that applies to the pistol side as well.

I want to add that if it is an occasional piece of brass flying over I don't bother. But if it is constant then see above.
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Required To contain brass?
Is that a published notice?
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BigBlue

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2015, 09:16:38 PM »
Never heard anyone say to contain brass. Most people are asking me if I want mine (I don't reload, so I usually give to whomever wants).

Some people are inconsiderate, OTOH even if you have a catcher occasionally one gets flung randomly. I had one get embed itself in a wooden post once.

mauidog

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2015, 09:25:03 PM »
No matter how "seriously" I take my shooting practice (working on aim, firearm operation/muscle memory, trigger and breath control, etc.), I also go there for fun.  It's work to make and haul target frames, clear, clean and lug the guns to the truck, grab the correct ammo cans for the day, sort through the gear, drive across the island and back, carry everything to the pistol or rifle area, and maybe have to sign the wait list on a busy day.  But once you're on the firing line and start squeezing off rounds, the thrill is there every single time!

If you're in that frame of mind, something as small as flying brass hitting you is just a part of the day.  I remember one time on the rifle side, these three yutes ( :) ) were obviously taking turns with one of the group's new rifle.  They kept ejecting brass all around and onto my bench.  I just picked it up where I could reach, and asked if they wanted it back.  They said no, so I threw it in my brass box.  It was to the point that some of their brass was landing in my catcher!  I asked them to remember how they did that so all their brass would collect itself!

I just thought it was a fun day.  No sense in getting mad.

Now, it might be different if the brass-slinger was also trying to collect his brass.  At that point, I'd suggest he invest in a brass catcher and explain how that helps him as well as prevents him from annoying others.

People who frequent the range see others using catchers and pick up on why it's useful.  Those people will buy one of their own accord.  The ones who go shooting every 3-6 months or less won't care enough to spend the money.
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s197

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2015, 09:47:19 PM »
My "brass catcher" is one of those $5 foldable laundry hampers from Walmart.  Doesn't work so well on pistol side though.

mnpfamily

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2015, 10:28:28 PM »
Nope, in my opinion, shouldn't be required.  It's all a part of shooting at a range as far as I'm concerned.  I personally use a brass catcher as I'm way too lazy to chase down all my brass and because I don't want my brass hitting my neighbor.  But to require it, definitely no.  As far as ROs getting involved, they should be concentrating on keeping the line safe. 

Kingkeoni

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2015, 10:42:24 PM »
I've never had a problem getting hit with brass.
It's par for the course when you go to a shooting range.

It always makes me laugh when people get real bent out of shape because brass hits them.
Get a new hobby if it bothers you that much.

It's like being a swimmer and not wanting to get wet.

I've seen one douchebag at Kokohead try and start a fight with some guy because his $7000 gun got paint nicked from the other guys brass.
What a dick, I actually stepped in and told him to calm down.
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Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

ren

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2015, 11:12:26 PM »
For ARs you can trim the ejector or the spring to maintain your brass
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Inspector

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2015, 06:15:57 AM »
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Required To contain brass?
Is that a published notice?
Sorry, I'm getting old. The words I wanted to use were eluding me at the time I wrote this. This is happening more and more to me lately.

I don't think it is published notice but the range officers do usually "remind" us at the beginning of shooting to keep ones brass from hitting your neighbor.
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Barrett808

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2015, 06:31:55 AM »
Had my nice wood guns and NF scopes bombed by fellow shooters. Just informed shooters of what was happening.  Most didn't  know what was going on and corrected shooting position or blocked brass. Cool...
When I had my HK91 accidentally burnt a Bro's back right through his shirt 2 benches down. Those fluted chambers  spit out some hot  brass with authority enough to cover your right flank. Felt real bad... WTF...
Not a way to make friends either. Always best to be cortious and aware of other shooter's safety.
On a hot note a young lady wearing short shorts showing a little to much skin got a 22LR brass down her behind. It went all the way down got up and screamed. Got branded by a Super X. Lol....  :geekdanc:
Aloha
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Drakiir84

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2015, 08:42:01 AM »
Sorry, I'm getting old. The words I wanted to use were eluding me at the time I wrote this. This is happening more and more to me lately.

I don't think it is published notice but the range officers do usually "remind" us at the beginning of shooting to keep ones brass from hitting your neighbor.

They make an announcement to police your brass, I've never heard them say to protect your neighbors from your brass.
"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

ren

Re: What are your thoughts and how would you handle it
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2015, 09:32:01 AM »
I don't think it's possible to force anybody to put up a barrier.
It's like trying to force every driver to obey the speed limit. Ain't gonna happen.
Should be pretty simple to build a net to clamp to the bench to block the brass.
You could probably build a few and sell them.
We have laws for speed...
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