In the early 1980's, pistol cartridge carbines were allowed at the Silhouette Range. I remember shooting an Uzi carbine and a Sterling MKIII there. I'm not sure what prompted HMMSA to ban the carbines. Before HMSSA, only Law Enforcement were allowed to use the range. I appreciate what HMSSA does for the shooting community.I cringe when I see a half dozen tactical wannabees show up with brand new GLOCKs and XDs and can barely load and operate their weapons safely. I run the ranges for the Puuloa Club and it is a test of nerves to make sure all rules are followed. I gave up on trying to make everyone happy there. I'm satisfied that we can make it through a day without a major bitchfest.

The rule against shooting any carbines or rifles in pistol calibers was not made by HMSSA. This rule was made by the city. Many of the HMSSA members wanted to shoot their lever guns and carbines at the silhouette range but the current regime will not allow it. If I recall correctly, police, sheriffs, feds are still allowed to shoot their carbines and ar's there. I do remember that the silhouette range was certified for rifle use some time ago.

Quote from: astroboy on September 20, 2011, 04:31:42 AM

The rule against shooting any carbines or rifles in pistol calibers was not made by HMSSA. This rule was made by the city. Many of the HMSSA members wanted to shoot their lever guns and carbines at the silhouette range but the current regime will not allow it. If I recall correctly, police, sheriffs, feds are still allowed to shoot their carbines and ar's there. I do remember that the silhouette range was certified for rifle use some time ago.

I shoot at the silhouette range most when I'm at kokohead.

I enjoy the "ping" of the targets and the instant visual satisfaction I get when I knock down a 8" circle at 100 yards using a pistol. (gratifying)

As such, I will abide by the rules. Although I realize that there are people there that manipulate what is allowed by using high powered rifle rounds fired from a TC.

I have seen LEO's firing AR's and shotguns there as well.

I sometimes use my own metal targets on the rifle side. I just wish there wasn't such a long wait to get a damn table.

Although I realize that there are people there that manipulate what is allowed by using high powered rifle rounds fired from a TC.

I don't agree. That is not their park. It belongs to the tax payers of the City and County of Honolulu. 
We don't need to go to their board or vote. They have a privilige as stated here: http://www1.honolulu.gov/parks/rules/commercial_acts.pdf
If we don't like it we can go to a hearing to get their permit reviewed again. 

Quote from: Kingkeoni on September 20, 2011, 07:44:03 AM

Although I realize that there are people there that manipulate what is allowed by using high powered rifle rounds fired from a TC.

Dude, that is not manipulating the rules.  These guys compete with handguns at 200 yards.  There is a reason they use rifle cartridges!  It isn't to annoy you, and it isn't to prove a point.  It's to hit tiny targets placed far away under the stress of competition. 

Quote from: ren on September 19, 2011, 12:05:33 PM

I don't agree. That is not their park. It belongs to the tax payers of the City and County of Honolulu. 
We don't need to go to their board or vote. They have a privilige as stated here: http://www1.honolulu.gov/parks/rules/commercial_acts.pdf
If we don't like it we can go to a hearing to get their permit reviewed again. 

So, by this line of thinking...
I should be able to participate in a cowboy shoot using my 1911 and an AR-15?
I can shoot with the various speed gunners using a black powder rifle?
I can shoot trap or skeet with my M1 Garand?

Each club gets use of the public range for the purposes of their particular sport.  HMSSA's sport encompasses handguns and .22 rifles.  Why should they be held to a different code that SASH, MPPL, the Rhat-Rhat Boyz, etc?

This is during open public hours, not during a competition.
There is a difference.

Quote from: Heavies on September 21, 2011, 10:39:52 AM

This is during open public hours, not during a competition.
There is a difference.

Right... So I can shoot my modern firearms at SASH events, so long as they aren't having a competition? -I don't see why not, as long as you are not competing and you dress the part.  -  I can bring my high power rifle to the shotgun range during normal hours of operation, just not on the days when they are having a sanctioned tournament? - That would be a real safety concern  , rifle rounds should never be shot up in the air in a populated area. -

Don't get me wrong, I would love to do that!  Shooting an IPSC-style course with cap-and-ball revolvers would rock! - I can't see any problem with this either, but you would be at a terrible disadvantage  I'd try it! - But I acknowledge that the clubs are given use of the space for their particular use. 

Now, as far as them pulling down the 200 yards targets, that seems just mean-spirited. 

Wait, wait, wait... I think we misinterpreted the point of this post. If the silhouette range rules are the absolute dumbest thing King Keoni's ever heard, he must not listen to a lot of talk radio.

I've heard, for example, that our President is a secret sleeper agent sent here by COBRA to destroy GI JOE.

Quote from: antoinebugleboy on September 21, 2011, 10:50:41 AM

Wait, wait, wait... I think we misinterpreted the point of this post. If the silhouette range rules are the absolute dumbest thing King Keoni's ever heard, he must not listen to a lot of talk radio.

I've heard, for example, that our President is a secret sleeper agent sent here by COBRA to destroy GI JOE.

Another personal attack on me by bugle girl?

WTF???

Quote from: Kingkeoni on September 21, 2011, 01:41:06 PM

Quote from: antoinebugleboy on September 21, 2011, 10:50:41 AM

Wait, wait, wait... I think we misinterpreted the point of this post. If the silhouette range rules are the absolute dumbest thing King Keoni's ever heard, he must not listen to a lot of talk radio.

I've heard, for example, that our President is a secret sleeper agent sent here by COBRA to destroy GI JOE.

Another personal attack on me by bugle girl?

WTF???

I think what Bugle is saying here is that talk radio is dumber than those retards at the range. I didn't get that he was out for a personal attack there KK.

Bugle, care to comment?

.....

My suggestion is to write our elected officials and ask what is being done about the overcrowding and ridiculous hours that the public is 'allowed' to practice safe firearm handling skills.

I'm not trying to suggest that the club should be disbanded, permits pulled, or anything like that, just that they need to rethink some of the policies that omit some shooters from utilizing the plinking range.  Especially when the reason for the ban (pistol caliber carbines) is not valid.