Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu. (Read 22432 times)

oldfart

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2015, 02:01:09 PM »
The fact you found his actions to be concerning is enough to prove that undue alarm over firearms exist even in those who claim to honor the second amendment. Irrelevant to the laws of the State of Hawaii, what does the supreme law of land state in the second amendment? Who owns the association? What are its bylaws? What is the place where someone can have a firearm in the State of Hawaii, were the words inside home used or some other legal word that represents a place where a person is residing?
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Undue alarm??
So when is alarm due?...hmmmm?
What, Me Worry?

mauidog

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2015, 02:06:02 PM »


He is not on his property, the association owns every inch except for your back area. He was not in this area and the gun was pointed at a street where a car passes every 10 seconds, open carry is great and I am the most pro gun person ever, pointing a firearm at a road is not acceptable at all, let me say it again, he was aiming the gun at the frequently tracked road as if trying to cock it from a shooting position.

Are you and the scary gun guy both in the same condo?  Either in a condo?  Or is the "association" your neighborhood/town association?
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

aieahound

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2015, 02:18:31 PM »
 I would've called the cops. (Not on my neighbors because I know them, but in this situation)
Just so they talk to him.
Especially with a pregnant wife and bailing pretty soon.

Of course there is the possibility of retribution from " who called the F-in police ?" If the guys truly unstable.

Last thing I would do is walk over and talk to him if I didn't know him from Adam.

How many members have taken their pistols into the front yard/next to the street to rack them to make sure they were clear or to clear a jam because it was safer.
I hope none.

Did the cops come and talk to him ?

justin1098

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2015, 02:25:18 PM »
Yeah, you did the right thing. If I was in my front my house or especially someone else's house where I live in ewa gentry with pistol racking the slide repeatedly, I would expect a visit from the swat team and my 5 minutes of fame on Hawaii news now.

monster796

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2015, 02:36:47 PM »
The fact you found his actions to be concerning is enough to prove that undue alarm over firearms exist even in those who claim to honor the second amendment. Irrelevant to the laws of the State of Hawaii, what does the supreme law of land state in the second amendment? Who owns the association? What are its bylaws? What is the place where someone can have a firearm in the State of Hawaii, were the words inside home used or some other legal word that represents a place where a person is residing?

Undue alarm? One of the fundamental safety rules of to NEVER Aim at something you don't intend to shoot, I also forgot to mention that across the road that he was aiming at are two story homes. He was aiming( intentionally or unintentionally) aiming at multiple cars and homes. Salty0317, your saying aiming a firearm or what appears to be a firearm at cars and homes is okay? I hope liberals never read your comment.

So 3 Cop cars rolled up, they talked to the neighbor, I have no idea what they said, and then about 10 minutes later the cops were at their cars talking and joking. Then they left.

If he was aiming in a direction with nothing for miles, I probably wouldn't have called. I just thought it would be my luck this idiot shot someone or a home and I didn't do anything. And if he's aiming it at cars and homes across the street he would probably aim it here too. Thanks for the input, also, if they were normal neighbors that didn't stare at my wife and I like we committed some crime ,or loud and verbally abusive to each other, I MIGHT have went over (if they seemed same) and explain the proper rules of Firearm safety, I believe with the aiming at cars and homes and their unstable behavior, that going overthere myself was not safe or a good idea. I was happy nothing happens to the cops when they went over. Without the old woman noticing she was recorded (just in case something happened) pretty creepy and scary situation, not sane folks lol
« Last Edit: August 03, 2015, 02:44:11 PM by monster796 »

mauidog

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2015, 02:43:05 PM »
Undue alarm? One of the fundamental safety rules of to NEVER Aim at something you don't intend to shoot, I also forgot to mention that across the road that he was aiming at are two story homes. He was aiming( intentionally or unintentionally) aiming at multiple cars and homes. Salty0317, your saying aiming a firearm or what appears to be a firearm at cars and homes is okay? I hope liberals never read your comment.

So 3 Cop cars rolled up, they talked to the neighbor, I have no idea what they said, and then about 10 minutes later the cops were at their cars talking and joking. Then they left.

He probably told them he can't clean his gun in the house because the fumes irritate his wife's sinuses.

Good thing he wasn't shooting an air rifle in a cemetery!  His rifle would be confiscated, and he'd be arrested for terroristic threatening with a replica!
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

monster796

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2015, 02:45:09 PM »
Undue alarm? One of the fundamental safety rules of firearm safety is to NEVER Aim at something you don't intend to shoot, I also forgot to mention that across the road two story homes. He was aiming( intentionally or unintentionally) at multiple cars and homes. Salty0317, your saying aiming a firearm or what appears to be a firearm at cars and homes is okay? I hope liberals never read your comment.

So 3 Cop cars rolled up, they talked to the neighbor, I have no idea what they said, and then about 10 minutes later the cops were at their cars talking and joking. Then they left.

If he was aiming in a direction with nothing for miles, I probably wouldn't have called. I just thought it would be my luck this idiot shot someone or a home and I didn't do anything. And if he's aiming it at cars and homes across the street he would probably aim it here too. Thanks for the input, also, if they were normal neighbors that didn't stare at my wife and I like we committed some crime ,or loud and verbally abusive to each other, I MIGHT have went over (if they seemed same) and explain the proper rules of Firearm safety, I believe with the aiming at cars and homes and their unstable behavior, that going overthere myself was not safe or a good idea. I was happy nothing happens to the cops when they went over. The day the old woman followed and starred at my wife and I, Without the old woman noticing she was recorded (just in case something happened) pretty creepy and scary situation, not sane folks lol

aieahound

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2015, 02:53:17 PM »
Good thing he wasn't shooting an air rifle in a cemetery!  His rifle would be confiscated, and he'd be arrested for terroristic threatening with a replica!

Never shoot an air rifle in a cemetery !

Pizza !

monster796

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2015, 03:31:53 PM »
^ lol

xer 21

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2015, 03:51:11 PM »
This is precisely why I posted about the necessity of open carry to preserve the right to keep and bear arms. Just as talents are lost when not exercised the same applies to a people rights when not exercised.
When the right to bear arms is not exercised in an open capacity, we inadvertently create alarm when such open exposure occurs as others become alarmed when it happens in front of them. This exactly why open carry is the responsibility of all people who expect to retain their right to keep and bear arms for themselves and their children.


except this had nothing to do with open carry or a lack of exposure. 

if you dont think someone handling firearms unsafely near YOU is a cause for concern, fine.  but if i see someone pointing a gun anywhere near residential areas without a good cause, im not about to trust him not to do something even dumber like your classic "accidental discharge". 

there's a difference between being alarmed at open carry, and being alarmed when someone's pointing a lethal weapon into the street.  this isnt someone being scared of guns or anything, its about someone seeing clearly unsafe gun handling.


A man racking his hand gun in the front yard might be making sure his firearm is clear and no round is chambered or trying to clear a jammed round. Rather than having a bullet eject in a house from a chamber which could strike an object in the house and fire openly, it is safer to eject a possible round outdoors on a lawn or some other safe ejection area. Live rounds can be detonated when thrown through the air if they strike a hard object in the correct orientation (rare but not unheard of). Also, aiming it at the street may have been nothing more than citing down the chamber to see if it was clear. I wouldn't have been alarmed nor would I consider the person an idiot and weather or not they were a relative of the home occupants or friend would not have been my business, not unless there was a firearm discharge.


     

because you cant check the chamber while aiming at the ground like a normal person?  ok, so he went outside to his front (not back yard) to clear his weapon because he's afraid a round is going to hit his stash of firing pins.  sure, its stupid, but whatever. 

how is that any more of a concern than someone thinking the gun was unloaded and having a negligent discharge in the street?  honestly, i think the chances that a round is going to strike the ground at the perfect angle are a lot lower than some dipshit either not knowing his gun was loaded or knowing it was, and having a negligent discharge.

he may not be breaking any laws, but this has nothing to do with hoplophobia and everything to do with the neighbor doing something he shouldnt be doing (legal or not), in the absence of a threat.


at bet, this is a case of very poor handling, which while not breaking the law, is cause for concern.  and at worst, as the OP has stated, this may be breaking the law as it sounds like it wasnt on his property anyways.

zippz

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2015, 04:25:00 PM »
I'd guess it was most likely airsoft.  Calling the police to check it out would be the right thing to do, might be some criminal they're looking for or it could be nothing.  If you know who the person is and know they are a good guy, I'd just go up to him and tell them they shouldn't be doing that.

robtmc

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2015, 08:33:41 PM »
If you know who the person is and know they are a good guy, I'd just go up to him and tell them they shouldn't be doing that.
Particularly if they have a back yard/lanai.  Better privacy.

Too many panicky liberals passing by out front.  Do not want wet panties and skid marks..........

paka808

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2015, 09:52:15 PM »
i think that's the right thing.  even if open carry were legal, someone actually drawing and doing anything to manipulate his weapon deserves investigation. 

either he's in the wrong (drawing for no good reason, or malicious reasons), or something caused him to draw which needs to be looked into.
I agree, better safe than sorry,

salty0317

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2015, 10:58:29 PM »
Racked, racked, racked = clearing a chamber.

I see the NRA isn't providing appropriate training with regard to the handling of ammunition, too much emphasis on the hardware and not enough on the most dangerous element involved, the ammunition itself.
 
In one breath, ejecting live rounds isn't dangerous unless you've a box of firing pins laying around and in the next breath an empty firearm is dangerous when aimed at an empty roadway. That's a special sort of double standard nonsense, one for the books and I'll be sure to get some elements of that into the test questions ammunition handling section.

36. When in your living room, when is it safe to eject live rounds from your firearm?
     A) When no-one else is watching.
     B) When my box of firing pins is closed and more than 15' away around the corner in the hallway.
     C) When the chamber ejection path is ...

Would anyone here care to guess what happens when live ammunition is incidentally discharged outside the chamber of a firearm?

mauidog

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2015, 11:14:03 PM »
Racked, racked, racked = clearing a chamber.

I see the NRA isn't providing appropriate training with regard to the handling of ammunition, too much emphasis on the hardware and not enough on the most dangerous element involved, the ammunition itself.
 
In one breath, ejecting live rounds isn't dangerous unless you've a box of firing pins laying around and in the next breath an empty firearm is dangerous when aimed at an empty roadway. That's a special sort of double standard nonsense, one for the books and I'll be sure to get some elements of that into the test questions ammunition handling section.

36. When in your living room, when is it safe to eject live rounds from your firearm?
     A) When no-one else is watching.
     B) When my box of firing pins is closed and more than 15' away around the corner in the hallway.
     C) When the chamber ejection path is ...

Would anyone here care to guess what happens when live ammunition is incidentally discharged outside the chamber of a firearm?

Not much.  Demonstrations show the projectile doesn't have enough force to penetrate most wall board right beside the ammo.

Good video on how difficult it is to get stored cartridges to ignite when being shot, dropped, burned, ....

*** WARNING *** New ammunition was wasted in the making of this video.  *** WANING ***


« Last Edit: August 03, 2015, 11:31:10 PM by mauidog »
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

salty0317

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2015, 11:25:42 PM »
Not much.  Demonstrations show the projectile doesn't have enough force to penetrate most wall board right beside the ammo.

LOL... That's a good one. It's all about the round isn't it? Actually it has nothing to do with the round. It has to do with the casing and the powder itself.

How would you feel about tossing a lit brass cased m80 into your living room? Or a brass encased firecracker? Sound appealing to you?

Oh wait. When it discharges next to your bottle of tequila then the fiesta begins yeah? Oh what fun.

You don't eject live ammunition from your firearm in your living room unless you've an adequate ammo ejection catch. Your video is only applicable to what firefighters can expect and has nothing to do with an ejected round that discharges next to an infant or other family member. The shrapnel from the casing can cause eye injuries etc. The discharged rounds can also cause fires and other mayhem.  When talking about the safety of not aiming an unloaded firearm one should also be just as savvy when it comes to the proper handling of ammunition. Pretending it's harmless unless chambered and it's safe to eject live ammo from your firearm into an occupied space is an irresponsible position. If you don't have an adequate ammo ejection catch then take it outside to a clear area! It's that damned simple.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2015, 12:11:28 AM by salty0317 »

xer 21

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2015, 12:41:23 AM »
LOL... That's a good one. It's all about the round isn't it? Actually it has nothing to do with the round. It has to do with the casing and the powder itself.

How would you feel about tossing a lit brass cased m80 into your living room? Or a brass encased firecracker? Sound appealing to you?

Oh wait. When it discharges next to your bottle of tequila then the fiesta begins yeah? Oh what fun.

You don't eject live ammunition from your firearm in your living room unless you've an adequate ammo ejection catch. Your video is only applicable to what firefighters can expect and has nothing to do with an ejected round that discharges next to an infant or other family member. The shrapnel from the casing can cause eye injuries etc. The discharged rounds can also cause fires and other mayhem.  When talking about the safety of not aiming an unloaded firearm one should also be just as savvy when it comes to the proper handling of ammunition. Pretending it's harmless unless chambered and it's safe to eject live ammo from your firearm into an occupied space is an irresponsible position. If you don't have an adequate ammo ejection catch then take it outside to a clear area! It's that damned simple.

you're reaching way hard.  at this rate, we may as well not buy ammo loose packed.  it might jostle around and set off.

this risk in no way supplants the risk of a negligent discharge while a round is IN the firearm.  where the round is inherently more dangerous, being, you know, in proximity with the equipment that's DESIGNED to fire it.  in a barrel where most of the energy is derived from in the first place.

salty0317

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2015, 01:14:46 AM »
" I hear what sounds like a gun being racked back repeatedly."
And this indicates that the firearm is being (A) Loaded (B)Cleared

"I go into another room to look and sure enough a man holding what appears to be a pistol, aimed toward our road, pulling the slide back repeatedly."
And this means (A) Someone's checking the action of the slide (B) Preparing to kill someone (C) Someone is pissed at the road and cant get themselves to shoot it.

" I am like "what the Fuçk?!?,"
Is that because you're not sure what it means when a firearm is racked repeatedly? Did the man make bang bang noises with his mouth too? Was he yelling obscenities and waving the gun around randomly and pointlessly?

" it looked as if it was a pistol, it could have been a BB gun but it definitely, I believed it was a firearm. The man then went inside his home."
Wow... it could have been a spring loaded plastic BB gun that one needs to rack in order to compress the spring and load the plastic bb to shoot out the plastic bb? Maybe it wasn't working correctly?

This is why very little exposure to public firearms handling promotes instant fear of the possible worst case scenario in peoples minds when a firearm is brandished in what is NOW considered abnormal situations.

If you've never watched the film "The High and Mighty" 1954 staring John Wayne, you should see it. In one scene a passenger on the plane pulls a gun on a fellow passenger and later the gun is returned to the passenger who pulled the gun and nothing happens from the incident. In 1954 having a gun on a plane wasn't an issue nor was brandishing it. The point is this, the presence of guns in todays society is met with great fear and that fear has been perpetuated by the removal of guns from public view.  The fact you don't see guns on anyone but police officers or armored car personnel is the perfect way to condition people to be fearful of guns when in the hands of anyone but those of proper authority. This has been one of the gun grabbers biggest strategies, to remove guns from public familiarity and therefore it paves the way for the average public to become less aware of the realities of guns and more malleable and accepting of anti gun propaganda. Simply seeing a gun promotes fear in the average person. This was not the case in 1954. Today a guy racking his firearm and aiming at an empty street and then going back in his house gets a neighbor to call the police on him. No anger expressed or yelling or anything really crazy, just an act that wasn't in agreement with the callers opinion on how firearms should be handled is all it took.

 


salty0317

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2015, 01:31:31 AM »
you're reaching way hard.  at this rate, we may as well not buy ammo loose packed.  it might jostle around and set off.

this risk in no way supplants the risk of a negligent discharge while a round is IN the firearm.  where the round is inherently more dangerous, being, you know, in proximity with the equipment that's DESIGNED to fire it.  in a barrel where most of the energy is derived from in the first place.
And you're reaching to justify your position on harassing a person who was practicing their second amendment rights. You along with everyone else in here who agrees with calling the police on the guy who was racking his firearm are contributors to the demise of the second amendment. Whether you've the capacity to understand why that's the case or not is irrelevant, the fact remains that the second amendment is also being compromised by people like yourself setting hidden double standards not recognized by yourselves and perpetuating the very propaganda fear you pretend to stand against.
I'm done with this topic and the radicals who unwittingly perpetuate anti 2a propaganda.

oldfart

Re: Idiot with what looked like a firearm, central Oahu.
« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2015, 02:47:22 AM »
Mr. Salty,
I don't totally disagree with your enthusiastic philosophy about open carry.
I do disagree with what you seem to consider to be normal behavior.
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So please explain, at what point does normal behavior become alarming behavior to you?
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Back in the 60's We used to shoot at soda cans from the front porch of my grandfather's store.
It was ok because you might see 1 car every hour. Or perhaps a cowboy on a horse.
Like it or not, times have changed.
What, Me Worry?