Guy stole my property, caught him on camera. (Read 11654 times)

monster796

Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:44:35 PM »
So I have a solar power bank, I set in my assigned parking stall so it could charge, I had a motorcycle stolen from my parking stall about a year ago, and a vacuum I use for car detailing stolen from my cover lanai (used to keep stuff) so I got cameras installed and figured who would take my bank, And some guy, from a company paid by my home associate, which cuts grass and such with others walked up to my stall and picked up my bank and walked to his truck. I look outside of my window and was like, yep here we go again, I reviewed the tape and caught him clear as day. I Waljed over to where they were chilling and asked one guy, "where is my property and showed him a picture, he didn't make a sound and looked at the guy who took it ( I didn't see him initially) so I asked the guy who took it, the same thing and showed a picture, he said "I don't know what you are talking about" I repeated myself again, he responded the same. I told him, " I have you on camera, give me my (expletive). He changed his tune really quick and said, "oh I took it and was going to figure out who it belonged to" and kept rambling various excuses and I said just give me my "shït" now man. He handed it to me and I walked off. I couldn't let it go as these guys might have stole my other things in the past (they walk around the areas and look pretty shady) I called the police and said it was a petty misdemeanor, the cop saw my wife was 9 months preggers and said I could fill out lots of paperwork and go to court to have him charged but instead suggested I give him the home associations phone number and the officer will tell the association what this guy did. So much theft on island it is sad. Thoughts on the situation?

monster796

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2015, 03:46:27 PM »
I almost forgot to mention, right after the officer left, another guy, acting like he was cutting grass, went to my back window and blew cigarette smoke into the window, I got him on camera too and smoking is prohibited in the association, and where these guys lounge, the sign that says no smoking is located and it is massive.

Drakiir84

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2015, 03:52:39 PM »
Get the fuckheads fired at the very least.  I would take them to court, don't care how small the cop thinks it is, better to get it on their record.
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monster796

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2015, 03:59:24 PM »
How do I do that? I placed the device right by my wheel, and my wife said its partially my fault, I feel like people shouldn't be stealing your stuff regurdless. Oh btw, the guy could have, if he wasn't trying to steal it, rang my doorbell or a neighbor not head about 300 feet to his work truck. Thanks for your reply.

new guy

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2015, 06:34:19 PM »
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« Last Edit: August 11, 2016, 08:22:20 PM by new guy »
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justin1098

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2015, 06:44:11 PM »
I say at the vary least, call the association and complain every time you see them do anything the least bit shady. Get your neighbors in on it too if you can. Call the management every day if you can. When you do call the cops, take things as far as you can. People letting shit slide is why trash like them get away with what they do.

Kingkeoni

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2015, 06:54:23 PM »
Remember when you would just knock someone out for doing this crap and not worry about AOAO's and HOA's.

Grandpa, tell me about the good old days.
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

paka808

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2015, 07:08:06 PM »
Remember when you would just knock someone out for doing this crap and not worry about AOAO's and HOA's.

Grandpa, tell me about the good old days.
:thumbsup:,I remember my uncle caught a guy trying to break into the neighbors house, dragged his ass on to his property and beat the hell out of him, and turned him over to the police.yes kingkeoni the good old days..

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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2015, 08:46:21 PM »
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monster796

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2015, 09:01:17 PM »
Thanks for the input guys! Should I head down to the police station with my evidence and make a report? The other two incidents a report was made.

one2boost

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2015, 10:15:35 PM »
Yeah, the cop doesn't want to do the paperwork.  I bet if it was the cop's sister that made that complaint more would be done.  I would have done the paperwork and filed whatever complaints to the HOA.

Colt808

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2015, 04:52:18 AM »
What’s with the bad attitudes towards law enforcement and perpetuating stereotypes? And exactly what paperwork was the officer trying to avoid?  Asking (you) the complainant if they want to fill out a statement is common. Implying that to mean an officer doesn’t want to do their job is pure ignorance. From what is written, the officer did what he is supposed to: informed you of what crime might have been committed, a petty misdemeanor (probably 4th degree theft) and asked if you want to file a report. The rest was up to you.

How do I do that? I placed the device right by my wheel, and my wife said its partially my fault, I feel like people shouldn't be stealing your stuff regurdless. Oh btw, the guy could have, if he wasn't trying to steal it, rang my doorbell or a neighbor not head about 300 feet to his work truck. Thanks for your reply.
I'd never blame a victim, but you did kind of blow it...not for leaving your stuff outside, but for taking it upon yourself to "solve the crime".  You should have filed a theft report, shown the video and let catch officer find the guy in possession of your property.  That's how a prosecutable case is made.  By confronting the thief and recovering on your own, you limited what could be done by the police. You can still file a report, which at this point would just be documentation. It's highly unlikely that it'll be investigated or prosecuted.  If you want the guys job? Send a copy of the video to the landscaping company.


Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.

monster796

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2015, 05:16:01 AM »
What’s with the bad attitudes towards law enforcement and perpetuating stereotypes? And exactly what paperwork was the officer trying to avoid?  Asking (you) the complainant if they want to fill out a statement is common. Implying that to mean an officer doesn’t want to do their job is pure ignorance. From what is written, the officer did what he is supposed to: informed you of what crime might have been committed, a petty misdemeanor (probably 4th degree theft) and asked if you want to file a report. The rest was up to you.
I'd never blame a victim, but you did kind of blow it...not for leaving your stuff outside, but for taking it upon yourself to "solve the crime".  You should have filed a theft report, shown the video and let catch officer find the guy in possession of your property.  That's how a prosecutable case is made.  By confronting the thief and recovering on your own, you limited what could be done by the police. You can still file a report, which at this point would just be documentation. It's highly unlikely that it'll be investigated or prosecuted.  If you want the guys job? Send a copy of the video to the landscaping company.

Hey, thanks for your input,
I felt getting my property back right there and then was the right thing to do as my camera could not make his face at that distance and I recorded him with my iPhone giving me my property back and him saying he took it.
As for the officer, he seemed cool but he asked me if I wanted to fill paperwork and I told him I did, and he still chose to talk to the guy and the association. I believe I will just go to the police station today and make a report, I wanted a police report number like the other two incidents. I even called the landscaping company, and the guy, who said he was the owner, said he would have picked it up too? I told him homes (about 8 homes) were 15 feet away and the guy choose to put the item in his truck 300 feet away. Should I ask the landscaping owner for the guy's name or just make the police report without his name and just his image? Thanks again guys.

monster796

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2015, 06:08:22 AM »
I was thinking, for the two incidents of theft before this, is it possible or just to launch a lawsuit against the home association, I made a request to install an anchor and chain (for my new motorcycle) which was approved, but when I asked to install cameras on the outside or even have them install cameras they refused, they finaly just fixed the lights around the association. I had neighbors complain of theft as well and the association seemed not to care. My new motorcycle cost me $3000 additional to replace and my insurance jumped $35 a month since 2014 jan, the vacuum I had stolen was $30. 
About a 3700 loss, correct me if I'm wrong, should the association be held responsible as they are not doing rounds (not even monthly)  and have not done anything for security. Also about a month ago, there were homeless folks sleeping in their cars at night, on association property for about two weeks, and it took me calling them to report it, the folks were possibly there longer because, at that time, my wife's doctor recommended waking around the neighborhood as she needs it for her pregnancy.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2015, 06:17:24 AM by monster796 »

monster796

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2015, 12:18:49 PM »
Sooooo, went to the police station today to make the report, filled out the report, the one officer called the officer who came here yesterday back. The officer said that he spoke with my association, and the association said that the parking stalls are for everyone, what a load of crap from my association, each stall is numbered and assigned to a unit you are living in. Then he spoke with the guy who took my stuff and evidently the guy, told the cop, that he lied to me because he didn't know if the property belonged to me, and he is choose not to ring any door bells. I call bulshi, I called the owner yesterday who said they always call him if any property is found. As the owner did not get a call all day.
The guy also said that he took it because it looked high value, yea to fukin steal it lol. I was thinking in my head "oh the guy is going to steal my damn car and motorcycle because they're  "high value too" " I feel like the association does not want to take responsibility, also this morning, my wife and I saw the hedge filed with bottles and trash and such" I personally don't care but it shows the association is not doing its job. Also I had to push my wife out of the way from a ton of broken glass! The side walk and side of the road is association property as well. (She was wearing flip flops and this glass would have sliced right through the it. Idk guys, is this something I should just take or should go after the association? I got the guy stealing and it seems like everyone is defending him, my neighbors had a ton of stuff stolen before so I call bs, these maintainers are the only folks walking in and around the association aside from residents, and I don't see residents that look shady ( I could be wrong)

monster796

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2015, 12:45:37 PM »
Here is the response from the Property manager.

"Dear Mr. X,
 
What is your unit number?
 
Thank you for your email.  Officer Morris called me yesterday to provide his assessment.  He determined that there was no intent to steal on the part of the landscape employee who picked up the device which was improperly placed in the common element parking lot.   If there had been intent, it would be considered a misdemeanor.  However, the responding officer determined by interviewing the suspect that there was no intent to steal and that he was merely picking this up to turn it in.   Thus, no misdemeanor was committed.   Therefore, I defer to the professional assessment of the officer.
 
Please keep in mind that no personal property may be placed in the common element at X.  Personal property may not be placed in the common element in any X properties.  The common element is everywhere except the interior of a unit.
 
As far as the smoking is concerned, I have spoken with X who will inform his employees that smoking is not permitted anywhere on the property except inside the unit if the unit owner permits smoking therein. "

What kills me is the personal property part, so according to these liberals, that's what it seems like, that all personal property is to be stored in the home, so. I Need to park my car and motorcycle in the home?!? And people have a large amount of stuff outside of the home bicycles and grills, plants ect and I believe the rules say you CAN keep personal property in your areas..... Are they foolish or just trying to save their skin? Any advice?

mauidog

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2015, 01:06:43 PM »
My advice is to either move or don't leave your personal property outside and unprotected.  Vehicles can be protected with alarms and other devices.  Install an alarm for your unit, and install cameras attached to a DVR where allowed. 

You're lucky the maintenance guy didn't stop by his own vehicle and put your stuff in his trunk before you found him.

Mark al of your property so it's identifiable.  Use an engraving pen to mark stuff with your initials and last four digits of your social -- anything unique will be fine.  Mark it in a place that won't be readily noticeable.  Using a Sharpie to write your name on the outside just alerts the thief to remove or cover it up.

File a police report when anything goes missing.  Include the identifying marks in the report.  If you're lucky, it might be recovered.  Having it marked helps HPD know it belongs to you.

Go to HPD recovered property events.  If they recovered something you owned, and you can prove it, you'll get it back.

No matter how much it burns you, theft of low value items are not viewed as important problems by HPD.  People are always getting ripped off -- cameras, cell phones, PCs, game devices, credit cards, ... there isn't much you can do to stop it.  All you can do is protect what's yours and hope they target your neighbors.  SOMEBODY is going to lose their stuff.  Make it harder for them to take your stuff than the neighbors.

I've lived in 2 neighborhoods here in Mililani.  Both areas have had their share of property crime.  I've only had one radio stolen from my ex-wife's car and the Honda "H" trunk ornament from my car.  As far as I can tell, no other theft problems.  My neighbors have been hit way more than us -- often multiple times each.  I think having an alarm and one or two dogs are the most effective things we have always done.  Thieves are always looking for easy opportunities.  They are not master criminals.  They see something unattended in a public area .... SWOOP!

An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

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Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2015, 11:31:49 AM »
 I would have had him charged so it's on his record, I know the feeling, had 2 motorcycles stolen from me in the past which still makes me sick since I spent crap load of money for both and insurance gives you shit back. Luckily you installed cameras, glad you got your shit back

justin1098

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2015, 11:54:25 AM »
Sounds like time to look for a new place to live.

monster796

Re: Guy stole my property, caught him on camera.
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2015, 06:08:10 PM »
How can I have him charged? The owner (the mans employer, and HPD both use the mike brown bs and say he is a good man?!? No the mother f$$$&@ was caught... The employer said he knew him for 5 years and the cop said he believed him when he said he was going to return it. What do I have to do exactly to have him charged if HPD will not? I also move to the mainland in about 3 months. There is a guy where I work who had his truck stolen about 3 months ago, the thug left his license and SS card in the car, police overlooked it (it was in plain sight) and the guy gave the ID and SS card to HPD and the guy still has not been arrested!!!! What can I do to have him charged? I wrote on the statement I want him prosecuted.  Thanks fellas!