http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=469&issue=021

 

Exterminatiom; When all else fails....
Nazi Germany
Chinese Cultural revolution
Joe Stalin's Purge
Pol Pot's Killing Fields

They didn't need a wildlife control permit

That was a good article Heavies.

I can see the extermination of feral hogs as they pretty much destroy everything. But all the other animals too? Wow. Just amazing...

Without predators, the populations of herbivores are wildly unstable, often suffering die-offs of up to 96% and leaving the vegetation devastated for decades.

Without predators, the populations of herbivores are wildly unstable, often suffering die-offs of up to 96% and leaving the vegetation devastated for decades.

Which is why they've been shipping in predators with guns to control herd size for the last decade or so, and why the NRA would like to continue doing so. 

The sad thing is that when I read this story, I didn't think "ooooh, poor animals".

I thought, "wow, where do I sign up".

The sad thing is that when I read this story, I didn't think "ooooh, poor animals".

I thought, "wow, where do I sign up".

I don't particularly care about the animals, either.  They're too stupid to register much of an opinion about it, and I'm in no way opposed to killing animals.  The reason I think it's horseshit is because they're taking away an opportunity for people to hunt. 

If you want to exterminate animals, you should look into getting a job as a government trapper.  We had one back home that I used to talk to, and his job seemed pretty much amazing.  The pay sucks, but you just drive around in your truck, setting traps for coyotes, hunting coyotes with a rifle and predator call, hell, they even sent him to a school to teach him how to do coyote drive-bys from a Cessna!   

The sad thing is that when I read this story, I didn't think "ooooh, poor animals".

I thought, "wow, where do I sign up".

Makes me want to shoot some piggies on the Big Island.........preferably ones that have been eating macadamia nuts for their whole life.

Quote from: Kingkeoni on September 29, 2011, 08:26:24 AM

The sad thing is that when I read this story, I didn't think "ooooh, poor animals".

I thought, "wow, where do I sign up".

Makes me want to shoot some piggies on the Big Island.........preferably ones that have been eating macadamia nuts for their whole life.

The ones that eat guavas all their life are sooooooo Ono.

Quote from: GZire on September 29, 2011, 08:36:03 AM

Quote from: Kingkeoni on September 29, 2011, 08:26:24 AM

The sad thing is that when I read this story, I didn't think "ooooh, poor animals".

I thought, "wow, where do I sign up".

Makes me want to shoot some piggies on the Big Island.........preferably ones that have been eating macadamia nuts for their whole life.

The ones that eat guavas all their life are sooooooo Ono.

I wouldn't know, but I've been wanting to try.  I also have a weird desire to know what happens to the piggies that gorge up on the coffee beans.  I mean are they really nice piggies, then just get all cranky cause they are wired?

Quote from: Kingkeoni on September 29, 2011, 08:26:24 AM

The sad thing is that when I read this story, I didn't think "ooooh, poor animals".

I thought, "wow, where do I sign up".

I don't particularly care about the animals, either.  They're too stupid to register much of an opinion about it, and I'm in no way opposed to killing animals.  The reason I think it's horseshit is because they're taking away an opportunity for people to hunt. 

If you want to exterminate animals, you should look into getting a job as a government trapper.  We had one back home that I used to talk to, and his job seemed pretty much amazing.  The pay sucks, but you just drive around in your truck, setting traps for coyotes, hunting coyotes with a rifle and predator call, hell, they even sent him to a school to teach him how to do coyote drive-bys from a Cessna!   

Where do I look on USAjobs for this one?  Id move to Barrow for a gig like that.

I don't know, I haven't seen him in years, since I was a little kid.  Called him "Dan, Dan, the Trapper Man", and he'd show up at the farm every so often in his beat-up truck asking if we'd lost any animals to predators and so on.  If you could get  a job like that in eastern Montana, you'd be set, especially because I think it's going to be open season on mountain lions soon if the cat population keeps going up.  My folks just saw one the other day lying in the road about three miles from their house!    I would shoot a mountain lion in a heartbeat if it was legal, and regardless of how the wife feels, if I ever do, that kitty's going in for a full-body mount.  Might have to shoot a little dinky deer, too, so the cat can be attacking the deer.   

I was told years ago, goats were shot at on Maui from helicopters using surpressed MP-5s.

Also Axis deer have become a problem for up country Maui residents.

I don't know, I haven't seen him in years, since I was a little kid.  Called him "Dan, Dan, the Trapper Man", and he'd show up at the farm every so often in his beat-up truck asking if we'd lost any animals to predators and so on.  If you could get  a job like that in eastern Montana, you'd be set, especially because I think it's going to be open season on mountain lions soon if the cat population keeps going up.  My folks just saw one the other day lying in the road about three miles from their house!    I would shoot a mountain lion in a heartbeat if it was legal, and regardless of how the wife feels, if I ever do, that kitty's going in for a full-body mount.  Might have to shoot a little dinky deer, too, so the cat can be attacking the deer.   

My Dad emailed me a newspaper clipping about a week after we left South Dakota of a rancher that shot a mountain lion a few miles out of town, they are everywhere now.  Im with you on the full body mount, actually sighting one before it attacked you would be a one in a million chance though without dogs.

Quote from: Cougar8045 on November 21, 2011, 07:39:58 AM

I don't know, I haven't seen him in years, since I was a little kid.  Called him "Dan, Dan, the Trapper Man", and he'd show up at the farm every so often in his beat-up truck asking if we'd lost any animals to predators and so on.  If you could get  a job like that in eastern Montana, you'd be set, especially because I think it's going to be open season on mountain lions soon if the cat population keeps going up.  My folks just saw one the other day lying in the road about three miles from their house!    I would shoot a mountain lion in a heartbeat if it was legal, and regardless of how the wife feels, if I ever do, that kitty's going in for a full-body mount.  Might have to shoot a little dinky deer, too, so the cat can be attacking the deer.   

My Dad emailed me a newspaper clipping about a week after we left South Dakota of a rancher that shot a mountain lion a few miles out of town, they are everywhere now.  Im with you on the full body mount, actually sighting one before it attacked you would be a one in a million chance though without dogs.

Is that how they hunt them?  Dogs?  I've never even looked into the mechanics of mountain lion hunting, but you're definitely right about seeing them.  The Fish & Game guys back home are saying that if people are sighting the cats, there's a ton of them.  Apparently they're like roaches, by the time you see one, the number that are hiding out of sight is huge.  And predators are stealthy as hell, even coyotes.  If you're from South Dakota and you've called coyotes, you know what I"m talking about; you'll be sitting on a spot calling for a while with a panoramic view of a stubble field.  Nothing could possibly sneak up on you!  Then sure as hell, a coyote just materializes fifty yards away, directly in front of you.  Sneaky!  When I take a look at my dogs playing, and then my cat playing, I realize that a mountain lion would probably make even an educated coyote look like a marching band.  I think I'll be staying inside when the sun goes down next time I'm home!    lol

Theres a show on the outdoor channel i watched once and they were hunting them in the winter.  The guy had a large pack, maybe 14 or so dogs.  The dogs chase them up the tree then hunter bob comes along and takes shots at them while there stranded in the tree.  He had about 6 dogs on that one cat and his tracker collars said his other dogs were 10 miles away.  I think thats what they were hunting at least.

Theres a show on the outdoor channel i watched once and they were hunting them in the winter.  The guy had a large pack, maybe 14 or so dogs.  The dogs chase them up the tree then hunter bob comes along and takes shots at them while there stranded in the tree.  He had about 6 dogs on that one cat and his tracker collars said his other dogs were 10 miles away.  I think thats what they were hunting at least.

That....sucks. Well I guess as long as it's not a trophy kill and is an extermination kill I find it acceptable. I never liked the idea of chasing an animal up in a tree and then just taking potshots at it. If the mountain lions are getting crazy, ya gotta do what ya gotta do!

I couldnt find the pic I wanted to but here are some other examples of running dogs with big cats; same type of dogs you would use for bears.  The picture I was looking for was of a cougar backed up on the edge of a cliff with the dogs barking at it from the safe side, was in a NatGeo or wildlife/hunting magazine a few years ago, wouldve been good enough for a Time magazine cover as well...

Howcome the cat no attack the dogs?
Edit: probably why it decides to climb a tree and hide

I know with like pig hunting, if the pig runs the dogs cannot catch it, only if they stay and fight, which is why you need to hurry and get there.

They do, just like with hog dogs, sometimes a dog gets tore up.  I  think most animals are afraid of dogs because they associate them with humans, which is why the cats choose flight over fight most of the time.