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About Todays Shooting? What was it? About WDBJ Shooting.
« on: August 26, 2015, 04:27:50 PM »
Was it really Gun Violence? As Obama and Hillary state?

I don't think so. It was about a madman with a gun!

Your Thoughts?
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Drakiir84

Re: About Todays Shooting? What was it? About WDBJ Shooting.
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2015, 05:54:17 PM »
Was it really Gun Violence? As Obama and Hillary state?

I don't think so. It was about a madman with a gun!

Your Thoughts?
They'll blame guns, I'll blame angry gay racist black men. In the end it'll even out I'm sure.
"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

edster48

Re: About Todays Shooting? What was it? About WDBJ Shooting.
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2015, 07:05:33 PM »
Gay, black, obviously a liberal democrat.

Simple workplace violence.

Nothing to see here, move along......
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ren

Re: About Todays Shooting? What was it? About WDBJ Shooting.
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2015, 07:43:24 PM »
I believe this qualifies as a hate crime perpetrated by a black person.
Fact: Black person shoots two white people.
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macsak

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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2015, 07:49:58 PM »
Was it really Gun Violence? As Obama and Hillary state?

I don't think so. It was about a madman with a gun!

Your Thoughts?

bryce williams could be my son...

whynow?

Re: About Todays Shooting? What was it? About WDBJ Shooting.
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2015, 07:58:17 PM »
Typical Obama regime response without knowing facts.  Notice when it involves muslims  they want to wait for the facts before commenting.   No the main issue here was racial hatred fueled by the race baiting of Barak Obama, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the mayor of Baltimore and Black Lives Matter.   I say Obama regime because that description is typical of totalitarian rule whereas the term administration is typical of free governments.
On TV tonight, leftists believe to take away guns will stop crime.  Take away guns, crime and violence will increase.   Society will have to ban all edged tools, hammers, saws, baseball bats, all privately owned motor vehicles, matches or anything that can make fire, gas, propane., fertilizer and then enact laws to remove peoples hands and feet to stop violence.   Notice none of those calling for more gun control blame violent video games, violent music lyrics, violent movies and videos.   They claim this is freedom of speech.  We here know that without the 2nd, the 1st is gone.
Our society is creating more crazed and violent individuals by giving kids and adults all kinds of drugs that later are found responsible for depression and other behavioral  problems.  Our governments want to legalize drugs like pakalolo that were previously criminalized many years with good reasons and let in millions of illegal aliens which include violent career criminals.  Then when violent crime is committed they blame  an object instead of the evil in the criminal.  By tomorrow, we'll probably hear Al Sharpton say that the shooter was the real victim, then Obam's DOJ will launch an investigation of the news station for possible discrimination of this black man.
Remember also this week, our government is in the process of scheming for total gun control in America with the U.N.  You think they won't use this shooting to support their agenda?

Sodie

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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2015, 08:31:32 PM »
Typical Obama regime response without knowing facts.  Notice when it involves muslims  they want to wait for the facts before commenting.   No the main issue here was racial hatred fueled by the race baiting of Barak Obama, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the mayor of Baltimore and Black Lives Matter.   I say Obama regime because that description is typical of totalitarian rule whereas the term administration is typical of free governments.
On TV tonight, leftists believe to take away guns will stop crime.  Take away guns, crime and violence will increase.   Society will have to ban all edged tools, hammers, saws, baseball bats, all privately owned motor vehicles, matches or anything that can make fire, gas, propane., fertilizer and then enact laws to remove peoples hands and feet to stop violence.   Notice none of those calling for more gun control blame violent video games, violent music lyrics, violent movies and videos.   They claim this is freedom of speech.  We here know that without the 2nd, the 1st is gone.
Our society is creating more crazed and violent individuals by giving kids and adults all kinds of drugs that later are found responsible for depression and other behavioral  problems.  Our governments want to legalize drugs like pakalolo that were previously criminalized many years with good reasons and let in millions of illegal aliens which include violent career criminals.  Then when violent crime is committed they blame  an object instead of the evil in the criminal.  By tomorrow, we'll probably hear Al Sharpton say that the shooter was the real victim, then Obam's DOJ will launch an investigation of the news station for possible discrimination of this black man.
Remember also this week, our government is in the process of scheming for total gun control in America with the U.N.  You think they won't use this shooting to support their agenda?

Well said.  The deeper problem here isn't guns, it's culture...  Some will blame the "gun culture;" I blame the culture that shuts down debate over issues out of a concern for "political correctness."  When you can't cite FACTS because they might hurt somebody's FEELINGS, we've reached a dangerous place in our society.

ren

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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2015, 08:47:42 PM »
Let's flip the script.
Hypothetical scenario: White person shoots two black journalists.
Deeds Not Words

aieahound

Re: About Todays Shooting? What was it? About WDBJ Shooting.
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2015, 09:47:12 PM »
I believe this qualifies as a hate crime perpetrated by a black person.
Fact: Black person shoots two white people.

+1

Simple workplace violence.

+1 again

There's a question: was it a hate crime or simple workplace violence ?

To answer Speeds question, definitely madman with a gun.
To quote Ted Nugent, if guns commit crime, then all mine are defective.

xer 21

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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2015, 10:19:15 PM »
This really did look like the classic disgruntled former employee.  a Xerox redux, if you will.  or something more akin to Falling Down.


I dont think it was a hate crime. 

aieahound

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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2015, 06:52:43 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump-on-wdbj-shooting-this-isnt-a-gun-problem-127715524131.html

Trump chimes in.
It wasn't a gun problem, it was a mental problem.

Drakiir84

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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2015, 07:04:37 AM »
This really did look like the classic disgruntled former employee.  a Xerox redux, if you will.  or something more akin to Falling Down.


I dont think it was a hate crime.

It's fairly clear through his manifesto and social media postings that he most certainly hated white people, especially the two white people he murdered on air.
"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

oldfart

Re: About Todays Shooting? What was it? About WDBJ Shooting.
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2015, 07:39:57 AM »
First of all, this dude was seriously wacked in the brain. No doubt there.
But here is something I noticed...that tv station had a lot of intra-office relations going on.
Generally, companies discourage intra-office fraternization. It could lead to favoritism, cliques, and possible bullying situations.
Is it a coincidence that both victims were having relations with fellow coworkers?
What, Me Worry?

Mr. Farknocker

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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2015, 07:46:03 AM »
What Ren said. Query why the media is labeling this event as murder by a deranged gunman and not a hate crime.

edster48

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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2015, 06:16:13 PM »
What Ren said. Query why the media is labeling this event as murder by a deranged gunman and not a hate crime.



Further, why are they already clamoring for gun control, instead of Gay, Black, Democrat control?
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macsak

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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2015, 06:18:06 PM »
Further, why are they already clamoring for gun control, instead of Gay, Black, Democrat control?

and gay guy kills 2 straight people and it's not a hate crime?

edster48

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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2015, 06:24:36 PM »
and gay guy kills 2 straight people and it's not a hate crime?

True!

If we take it a step further still, and ask ourselves; "Who is espousing the most hatred against white, straight, conservatives?" We win the trifecta!
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ren

Re: About Todays Shooting? What was it? About WDBJ Shooting.
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2015, 08:32:49 PM »
The easiest issue to tackle in this crime is to blame the inanimate object.
If they say it was a black on white crime then they inject the white race card in an already black polarized America. Same thing about the gay issue.
You notice that there were no tears of remorse from the black family and they read from a script.
The root cause was a hateful, black, gay man who murdered two white, heterosexual people.
The gun had no prejudice of its own nor did it act against on its own.
And those are facts based on his manifesto and video evidence.
Hate crime? Does it really matter? A coward killed two people. plain and simple.
Deeds Not Words

macsak

Re: About Todays Shooting? What was it? About WDBJ Shooting.
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2015, 09:19:40 PM »
The easiest issue to tackle in this crime is to blame the inanimate object.
If they say it was a black on white crime then they inject the white race card in an already black polarized America. Same thing about the gay issue.
You notice that there were no tears of remorse from the black family and they read from a script.
The root cause was a hateful, black, gay man who murdered two white, heterosexual people.
The gun had no prejudice of its own nor did it act against on its own.
And those are facts based on his manifesto and video evidence.
Hate crime? Does it really matter? A coward killed two people. plain and simple.

https://video-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11033810_738824129549514_447182741_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjMwMCwicmxhIjo1MTJ9&rl=300&vabr=101&oh=d4eef0234509c634e1f2b54019e3f9aa&oe=55E02F45

yurcarmeean

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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2015, 11:37:39 PM »
I am aghast by the footage.

Apparently this doesn't qualify as a "mass shooting" but it is a problem that is increasingly more unique to our beautiful country, The United States of America. 

"American exceptionalism is exceptionally American."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/american-exceptionalism-and-the-%E2%80%98exceptionally-american%E2%80%99-problem-of-mass-shootings/ar-BBm9m4V

Our high expectation of our own selves and the hubris it entails is finally catching up with some of us.  I say "us" because he was a US citizen, and they were US citizens.

Using this specific case I frame my argument that:  The U.S.'s high incidence of mass killings, specifically those perpetrated by 2 or fewer people with the use of guns, is a result both of American culture of individualism and America's freedom to bear arms.

Americans should stand together, but our culture of individualism makes it impossible for everyone to achieve the glory and success we are brought up believing we will each achieve.  In the process, we fail to teach each other that anything less than hard work will not result in success, and how to deal with failure and rejection.  This creates imbalance in the American psyche. 

The firearm and goPro were the methods he used to execute an act of pent up frustration and anger.  And that pent up frustration and anger is what he and every other "mass shooter" ( specifically mass killings perpetrated by 1 or 2 people using firearms) had in common.

The source of the stress is the disappointment in failing to achieve "The American Dream".   Whereas, the access to firearms was ingrained into American culture at our country's conception via The Constitutional Amendments. 

The American Dream evolves, it changes.  It changes as American culture shifts.  American culture has shifted toward snitchery and scandal effectively fostered by social media, an information highway that is breeding a generation of Americans who have a great taste for unsavory gossip, especially about fellow Americans[/i], and who cannot resist minding their own business, like their parents used to.  We used to value honor and the advancement of science and the spreading of knowledge. 

However our right to bear arms is a fundamental pillar of The Constitutional Amendment, it is constant.  And the only thing that is truly constant, is change. 

I believe in keeping our right to bear arms, because I believe in The Constitution and Its Amendments.

The Constitution does not specify how we should treat each other as humans, goodness is implied, but it allows for badness to occur.  I understand it is intentionally, vaguely worded, and the wording is one of the things I respect about it. 



We need to treat each other with respect, with gratitude, with patience.

That is what Americans do.


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