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« on: September 12, 2015, 02:19:59 AM »
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macsak

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2015, 05:26:49 AM »

Nonetheless, my neighbors were happy that I was keeping an eye out and do so every night. One proclaimed that he noticed I didn't sleep most nights. I responded that it was impossible for me to sleep. When he asked why, I said because justice never sleeps.

Glad we could turn a potentially bad situation into a laugh by the time it was over.
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sorry to hear about this incident, but yeah, if you would've gone out armed with a firearm, you would be the one arrested

but i must say that you missed the most obvious response to your neighbor's comment about you not sleeping
which is:

"I'm Batman"
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Q

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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2015, 05:28:20 AM »
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edster48

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2015, 06:04:57 AM »
Key word here: "Batman".

This is the kind of situation where a baseball bat is your friend.

Tip: For quicker LE response, and more energetic pursuit of offender, state to 911 that "It looks like he/she { don't want to be sexist } has a gun".

Or just tell them "He left in a car with an expired safety check". This will guarantee the maximum number of responding officers.
Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

oldfart

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2015, 06:10:55 AM »
Key word here: "Batman".

Or just tell them "He left in a car with an expired safety check". This will guarantee the maximum number of responding officers.
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 :thumbsup: :rofl:
Good one
What, Me Worry?

suka

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2015, 06:27:49 AM »
Just last weekend, one of our housing units had its front door wide open.......

called 911 and drew my gun from the holster. I informed the 911 operator I was armed and outside.

When the cops showed up WITHOUT sirens and lights. They were more concerned about disarming me than attempt to go in the house.

I surrendered my gun, after the house was cleared, it took well over 40 min to get back my gun , (running all the CCW and stolen firearm checks.) It was because my gun was not stolen and didn't have it in their  drop down menu.

Q

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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2015, 01:13:18 PM »
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Jl808

HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2015, 02:24:17 PM »
:thumbsup:

Always good to be prepared!

U need a sign... This is Sparta!
I think, therefore I am armed.
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Sodie

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2015, 07:02:21 PM »
Q-
Your original quote isn't showing up for me, and if I click on your quote line to get to the original post, I get an error page...  Sounds like an interesting story, but the suspense is killing me!   :shake:

new guy

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2015, 07:29:40 PM »
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Your mindset is your primary weapon. - Jeff Cooper

Drakiir84

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2015, 07:52:00 PM »
Quite honestly, HPD would argue that if you had a firearm you would have shot him and fortunately since we have strict carry laws you're both still alive!
"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

edster48

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2015, 08:14:03 PM »
Totally understand that this is a "tongue in cheek" statement, brother Edster.

For those who did not catch Edster's humor, please know that engaging in such conduct might open yourself to criminal prosecution, under Hawaii's Penal Code (et al, HRS 710-1015).

Let's stay safe out there, brothers and sisters.  :shaka:

YAH!! Because nobody here would do anything illegal!   :D

Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

new guy

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2015, 08:31:15 PM »
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Your mindset is your primary weapon. - Jeff Cooper

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Q

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2015, 03:39:21 AM »
FOLLOW UP (and more proof that HPD in my area are a bunch of fucking lazy asses):

Went to the market and see the same guy in the same attire in front of the store. Call 911, ask for non-emergency, and let them know that I identified the individual that was involved in a possible attempted break in, and that the officer the night before told me to call in as he had a warrant. They informed me that an officer was enroute.

I parked in front of the market and waited for the police to arrive. Approximately 10min after I made the call, I saw a patrol car drive by the market on the highway without even slowing down. After 20 minutes, I call non-emergency services again and let them know that no officer has responded and that I had called in 20 min prior, and that a patrol car had just driven past the market without slowing down or stopping to identify the individual. Dispatch then informed me that the officer responding said there was no warrant out for his arrest.

(WTF? How could the officer responding know who I was talking about when there was no exact name given and he didn't even respond to the scene like he was supposed to?)

He then asked me if I wanted to meet up with the officer so he could explain the situation. I again inform dispatch that the individual was involved in an attempted break in the previous night, that I was the one who identified him and that the officer responding to the call was the one who told me and my neighbors to call it in, and that if he was going to show up on scene this time he better make it quick, because I was waiting for him for 20 minutes. The dispatch again said that the OFFICER (not the computer) told him that there was no warrant, that the OFFICER saw the individual and identified him (yeah, identified him while he was driving 30-35mph on the highway with vehicles in the parking lot obstructing his view of the individual). He asked me if I wanted to meet up with the officer because he wasn't sure what they would apprehend him for.

(UM....how about me witnessing him attempting to break into my neighbors home, and having multiple confirmed reports of this guy trespassing on multiple neighbors properties?)

I tell him there is no point if they aren't going to apprehend him, as I didn't witness him committing any crimes this night.




WTF is wrong with the police department here? I understand that paperwork sucks; especially with dumb calls. Trust me, I've been there. But when serious stuff like this happens, you don't take it lightly and you do your job. That's 2 nights in a row that officers in our area were treating this like it was nothing.

I guess my friend was right: HPD would have been a cruise ass job if this is the standard.

mamalukino

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2015, 07:17:15 AM »
It is an agenda to receive a higher budget.
Crime stats go up we need more patrols.
More money. Less service. Bad attitudes.

$575,000.00 thrown away for democrat political correctness.

That should have had the mayor and chief fired for malfeasance.

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edster48

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2015, 08:45:16 AM »
FOLLOW UP (and more proof that HPD in my area are a bunch of fucking lazy asses.




WTF is wrong with the police department here? I understand that paperwork sucks; especially with dumb calls. Trust me, I've been there. But when serious stuff like this happens, you don't take it lightly and you do your job. That's 2 nights in a row that officers in our area were treating this like it was nothing.

I guess my friend was right: HPD would have been a cruise ass job if this is the standard.

It is an agenda to receive a higher budget.
Crime stats go up we need more patrols.
More money. Less service. Bad attitudes.

$575,000.00 thrown away for democrat political correctness.

That should have had the mayor and chief fired for malfeasance.



Let's not forget the role of the Prosecutors office in this. Unless the suspect is caught red handed they don't really have a case, so the line of reasoning is: Why waste the time?
Even if they ARE caught, what's the realistic outcome? 3-6 months in our revolving door system? 3 hot's and a cot, then back out to do the same thing.

I can understand, to an extent, the frustration LEO's must feel and how it leads to a "fuck it, why bother" kind of attitude.

In my previous post I jokingly referred to what it takes to get an effective response. What makes it amusing is that there is an unfortunate grain of truth to it. Officers aren't rewarded for making arrests like this. The only thing they get are administrative headaches and the scorn of the PA's office for handing them a case they can't, or won't, prosecute. Traffic stops however generate revenue, resulting in a "good" mark on their record, even if they just show up to "assist". Hence 5-7 officers show up for an expired registration sticker. I think you can see the trend here.

Mamalukino makes another excellent point. Money.

Any bureaucracy is about "expanding the budget", and therefore their power within government. But have you noticed that the expenditure of more money never seems to reach your neighborhood? When I first came here almost 40 years ago, it was common to see HPD cruising residential areas looking for precisely the type of activity Q witnessed. I can't even remember the last time I saw a squad car on my street for anything other than a call by a citizen. They've gone from being proactive to reactive, and we suffer for it. I don't believe this is the fault of the officer on the street, it can only be because of department policy, which is driven by politics.
Here's another example: the department is sitting on 14 million in cash reserves from seized assets, yet they are crying poor mouth to the legislature and asking for money to replace aging patrol cars. Why?

Q is right. HPD is worthless, but it's a top down issue, starting with our { cough } political leadership and the attendant bureaucracy steering departmental policy, leaving LEO's with little incentive to do the "right" thing.
Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

pj_benn

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2015, 09:32:14 AM »
standard procedure. police aren't your personal security force. cops did nothing wrong. nothing to see here. move along folks.
































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mauidog

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2015, 11:08:16 AM »
It's not just HPD.  It's police in every major city. 

In Oklahoma City, we had a car break-in with a broken window, broken dash, and missing stereo.

Cops took 4 hours to show up.  Apparently Memorial Day weekend saw a rash of break-ins ... owners on vacation, so crooks help themselves.

There were a couple of hand tools on the car seat that we'd never seen, so must have been left by the thief.  The Cop picked them up in his bare hands, asked again, "Are you sure these aren't yours?", then said, "I doubt we can get any prints from these."

Seriously?  After you already handled the "evidence", I bet there aren't any useable prints now!!   :wtf:   I imagine those tools are still in the officer's toolbox at his home!

We filed an insurance claim, but with 4 years of depreciation and deductible, we got $150 back for an $800 item.  The replacement cost for that same class stereo would have been $450 at least.

Yeah, unless the property is seized in a drug raid or during an apprehension at another crime scene, the Cops will never recover your property.  They are not going to actively investigate property crimes less than $10K-$20k.  To them, it's not worth it, since the crooks rarely get punished.

Here in Hawaii, I've always heard property crimes are for the most part ignored because of the drug and employment problems.  Punishment won't stop it as long as the underlying need is present.  To the Cops, it's just "stuff", and stuff can be replaced.  They don't really care that it was YOUR stuff!
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper