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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2015, 01:27:59 PM »
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whynow?

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2015, 08:26:06 PM »
In the 808, the suspects seem to have more rights than the victims.  It seems that they prefer you to be a victim first and not be proactive to prevent a crime, then they will start the process to charge the individual.   When I was a juror on 3 criminal trials, the instructions seemed like it was skewed against the prosecution.   That experience along with Bill Clinton saying " it depends what is, is"  has changed my thinking to disregard the old saying " if you're not sure don't do it".   As I've grown older I know that is shibai only to control the population.
My own rule is that I'll carry a  holstered firearm (pistol) on my property but not pass the property line, unless it's a situation like the guy beating his girlfriend to death on the street with the shotgun or similar.  I have the pistol's permit in a neck pouch if I carry outside my house on my land.
I believe you are correct that with the crackdown in Kakaako, Waikiki and other commercial areas, the homeless will spread out to adjoining residential areas.    The whole world is being turned upside down in these times.  Look how long it took to lockup the crazy Yama Fazarri guy that had threatened people more than once.





whynow?

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2015, 08:32:10 PM »
I really wish they would do away with the current county system and let each district run itself independently, to include letting us have our own police force / sheriff.

99% of the problems would disappear because the community would be policing itself, and at a fraction of the cost.

It's up to the people.  To me people from Aiea to Waialua to Waianae should request forming their own county with Kapolei as county seat.   Honolulu County is too big.  IIRC, Windward side tried to do this during the Fasi years.
Who says we can't have 2 counties on 1 island.  If this is proposed, watch all the politicians jump.

Sodie

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2015, 11:54:45 AM »
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On 11 September 2015 at approximately 2345  hrs...

Q, thanks for re-posting "the rest of the story."  Personally, I'm conflicted about HPD.  I'm as pro-law enforcement as the next guy, and probably more than most, but I tend to see a sense of entitlement (or maybe "elitism" is a better word) in general observations of HPD.  Officers (especially motorcycle guys) routinely driving in ways that would get any other citizen a ticket, if not arrested.  Some of the regulars in the firearms division are always respectful and professional, but others act like they're doing me a favor to process my paperwork and grant me "permission" to exercise my rights.  A lot of what APPEARS to be general laziness.

It could be that the great majority of HPD officers are fine, upstanding public servants out there busting their butts on our behalf every day, and I'd like to believe that.  General appearances, and stories like yours, tend to indicate that isn't true...  and even if it IS true, at the very least HPD has a serious public perception problem that they need to address.

Jl808

HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2015, 12:08:09 PM »
Nicely written, Sodie.

I am also more pro-LEO than most. I think that LEO jobs are tougher than most jobs and appreciate the work that our police do.

I am not sure what the numbers are recently but I think that because of the shortage of LEOs in general, HPD has to take what it can take.  If there were more applicants for officers than openings, we would have better quality of officers as  HPD would be able to choose from more applicants.

If we don't hold LEOs to a higher standard (or any other public servants for that matter), then we get what we get.  My encounter with HPD when I had experienced multiple burglaries in my home pretty much mirrors Qs experience.... The HPD officers came to do a report and nothing more was done. Twice.

Thanks for sharing your documentation Q. It helps me know better what I would need to do if I find myself in a similar situation.
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mauidog

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2015, 12:28:59 PM »
A few years ago, my neighbors started a crime watch program.  What we learned then was, only 2 cars regularly patrolled the Mililani area, and 2 patrolled the North Shore.  These two areas were backup for each other, so 4 units covering the two areas.

Think about it:  4 units in an area the distance between Mililani and North Shore!  That's stretching your manpower pretty thin.

I read later there was another unit assigned to each area, making 6 total.  With recent cutbacks, it wouldn't surprise me if that's no longer  the case.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

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dustoff003

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2015, 04:29:46 PM »
The Code 25 mentality that seems to be the thing now is disturbing. The stickers, license plate frames and clothing are prevalent amongst officers. There is a defiant air of I am the law so I am above it.

pj_benn

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2015, 06:35:28 PM »
whats code 25 mean?

dustoff003

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« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2015, 07:24:37 PM »

whats code 25 mean?
Drunk according to what I found searching the interweb.

HiCarry

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2015, 12:19:54 PM »
Nicely written, Sodie.

I am also more pro-LEO than most. I think that LEO jobs are tougher than most jobs and appreciate the work that our police do.

I am not sure what the numbers are recently but I think that because of the shortage of LEOs in general, HPD has to take what it can take.  If there were more applicants for officers than openings, we would have better quality of officers as  HPD would be able to choose from more applicants.

If we don't hold LEOs to a higher standard (or any other public servants for that matter), then we get what we get.  My encounter with HPD when I had experienced multiple burglaries in my home pretty much mirrors Qs experience.... The HPD officers came to do a report and nothing more was done. Twice.

Thanks for sharing your documentation Q. It helps me know better what I would need to do if I find myself in a similar situation.
They would have more applicants if they accepted more people that didn't shoe horn into a rigidly maintained "criteria" that focuses on being part of the "team" and going with the flow....Many applicants are "weeded out" after the psych exam (the MMPI) after demonstrating individualistic personalities. And, not to say that HPD does this, but the courts have sided with other police agencies when folks with higher education and/or higher IQs were rejected on those criteria.

https://reason.com/blog/2013/05/01/court-oks-barring-smart-people-from-beco

You may be of the opinion that any police officer needs to be "team oriented" which is fine. But it also tends to foster that "thin blue line" mentality where otherwise good cops tend to shield the bad cops out of a misplaced sense of duty or obligation.
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mauidog

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2015, 06:18:21 PM »
If you want to get back at HPD......    :rofl:       :rofl:       :rofl:

An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

whynow?

Re: HPD = Completely Worthless
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2015, 08:23:36 PM »
If you want to get back at HPD......    :rofl:       :rofl:       :rofl:



LOL.  For effect throw in rotting meat.   Might get a lot of unwanted guests dressed in OD.