Gov. Jerry Brown Signs Anti-Gun Senate Bill 707 (Read 9239 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Gov. Jerry Brown Signs Anti-Gun Senate Bill 707
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2015, 05:58:58 PM »
Trying to say it won't stop shootings shows how little you understand the topic.

It leaves the chance that the shooter will be stopped earlier (I clearly stated that already) but it doesn't stop the shooting from occurring in the first place. If you think that someone wanting to go out in a blaze of glory is going to decide that he will not shoot anyone just because he cannot find a "gun free zone" sign then it shows how little you understand the topic.

Q

Re: Gov. Jerry Brown Signs Anti-Gun Senate Bill 707
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2015, 07:56:32 PM »
If you think that someone wanting to go out in a blaze of glory is going to decide that he will not shoot anyone just because he cannot find a "gun free zone" sign then it shows how little you understand the topic.

As evident by all the mass shootings that took place at gun shops, gun shows and many other places where it was known that the civilians frequenting the area were armed?

Yeah, makes total sense.   :wacko:

mauidog

Re: Gov. Jerry Brown Signs Anti-Gun Senate Bill 707
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2015, 10:49:01 PM »
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

eyeeatingfish

Re: Gov. Jerry Brown Signs Anti-Gun Senate Bill 707
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2015, 12:54:02 AM »
As evident by all the mass shootings that took place at gun shops, gun shows and many other places where it was known that the civilians frequenting the area were armed?

Yeah, makes total sense.   :wacko:

Not the point I was arguing. I don't think any active shooters show up to a school, look around and decide not to shoot up the place just because they don't see a "gun free zone" sign. I haven't seen any proof that shows a location was targeted specifically because it had a gun free zone policy or sign.

edster48

Re: Gov. Jerry Brown Signs Anti-Gun Senate Bill 707
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2015, 05:35:40 AM »
While I think this law will do jack squat in stopping mass shootings, I don't think it will make mass shootings more likely either.


In other words, this law accomplishes squat in regards to its supposed intended purpose.
It merely piles on the rest of the useless "Do Something!" laws that have been enacted.

Riddle me this: If you're on a campus, bent on murder and a high body count, what effect does this law have on you?

Answer: None. In point of fact it may actually embolden the type of cowardly scum that commit this type of crime, since they know THEY will be the only one in possession of a firearm and ammunition.

Your point is specious.

Not the point I was arguing. I don't think any active shooters show up to a school, look around and decide not to shoot up the place just because they don't see a "gun free zone" sign. I haven't seen any proof that shows a location was targeted specifically because it had a gun free zone policy or sign.

The fact is, virtually all the mass shootings have taken place where it is common knowledge that the area is a "gun free zone". They are obviously chosen because of a lack of armed opposition, allowing the perpetrator time to kill as many as possible before taking their own worthless lives once authorities finally arrive.

The proof is in the chosen killing ground. Your point is irrelevant.
Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

GZire

Re: Gov. Jerry Brown Signs Anti-Gun Senate Bill 707
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2015, 01:40:49 PM »
As evident by all the mass shootings that took place at gun shops, gun shows and many other places where it was known that the civilians frequenting the area were armed?

Yeah, makes total sense.   :wacko:


I agree with eyeeatingfish of this.  The presence of guns in and of itself does not guarantee stoppage of these incidents. 

What it does guarantee is that persons will be able to protect themselves and/or others.

Remember Christopher Dorner?  LEO gets a bad training writeup by his LEO trainer.  Ultimately gets suspended/fired and goes on a wacked out murder campaign against his former co-workers/bosses.  Those bosses are LEO's and have access to firearms but it never stopped Dorner.

There are always wacked out people and there always will be.

edster48

Re: Gov. Jerry Brown Signs Anti-Gun Senate Bill 707
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2015, 06:16:26 PM »

I agree with eyeeatingfish of this.  The presence of guns in and of itself does not guarantee stoppage of these incidents.

What it does guarantee is that persons will be able to protect themselves and/or others.

Remember Christopher Dorner?  LEO gets a bad training writeup by his LEO trainer.  Ultimately gets suspended/fired and goes on a wacked out murder campaign against his former co-workers/bosses.  Those bosses are LEO's and have access to firearms but it never stopped Dorner.

There are always wacked out people and there always will be.

Exactly.

There are no guarantees in life. Not safety, success, health or happiness.

The reason our country has been different from others is due to the fact that our Constitution attempts to guarantee only one thing. Opportunity.

What many seem to have forgotten is, opportunity is only what YOU make of it. It's not free, it's not easy and it requires effort.

Incidents like this will never stop completely, but we can reduce the ease with which criminals find their victims, and maximize our chances of survival by being prepared to do what is necessary to stop scum like this.

Laws like this are a false security blanket for those that are weak of mind and lack intestinal fortitude.
Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

suka

Re: Gov. Jerry Brown Signs Anti-Gun Senate Bill 707
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2015, 06:30:58 PM »
To date I have only seen Rambo and The Terminator attack a police station.

mauidog

Re: Gov. Jerry Brown Signs Anti-Gun Senate Bill 707
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2015, 06:37:24 PM »
To date I have only seen Rambo and The Terminator attack a police station.

Don't forget Capt. Duvall.  Even though Precinct 13 was being shutdown, and the attackers were dirty cops, I think it still qualifies.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0398712/

An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

eyeeatingfish

Re: Gov. Jerry Brown Signs Anti-Gun Senate Bill 707
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2015, 05:31:27 AM »
In other words, this law accomplishes squat in regards to its supposed intended purpose.
It merely piles on the rest of the useless "Do Something!" laws that have been enacted.

Exactly.

The reason I am making my comment is that there are some gun rights advocates who suggest that having gun free zone signs actually make active shooter situations more likely but I don't think that is the case and I think that argument should be avoided.