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mamalukino

Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« on: October 22, 2015, 09:57:07 AM »
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oldfart

Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2015, 10:17:17 AM »
Our state still prohibits them.
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ren

Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2015, 10:52:00 AM »
Average Hawaii citizen response:
Oh the horrors! We're going to have assassins. Mass shootings that no one will "hear" about. More shootings. Dogs and cats breeding. Women can go use men bathrooms, men can go use women bathrooms....close down the range! Psychos! Butterflies wont know what shot them!
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Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2015, 12:12:47 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on October 22, 2015, 10:17:17 AM
Our state still prohibits them.

What he said.
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Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2015, 12:52:16 PM »
Still, this is a start. If it gets removed from the National list of "things that are dangerous," it has a better chance of being removed from the state list of "things that are dangerous."
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mamalukino

Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2015, 01:34:52 PM »
Quote from: 2aHawaii on October 22, 2015, 12:52:16 PM
Still, this is a start. If it gets removed from the National list of "things that are dangerous," it has a better chance of being removed from the state list of "things that are dangerous."

exactly
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Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2015, 01:41:10 PM »
I agree. Because if it gets removed from the list then on what basis would they have to keep it banned? ... because they said so? That would be BS
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ren

Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2015, 02:59:30 PM »
I apologize for being so cynical.
I agree that this is a valid 1st step.
I was disappointed with my first experience with a suppressor. I thought it was broken as I could still hear something  :shake:
Imagine mandating suppressor use at the range to minimize noise to our HK citizens. Night shoots.
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one2boost

Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2015, 05:31:59 PM »
I am curious on the numbers, what are the alarming numbers of a legal suppressor used in a crimes throughout the nation and possibly by each state?
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ren

Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2015, 05:52:43 PM »
I'd add that a lot of "education" / misinformation comes from fantasy Hollywood land.
As I mentioned before, the only time I was exposed to suppressors was what I saw in movies and I was obviously disappointed by "hearing" a real one in use.
And thanks to our all knowledgeable lawmakers I'm sure the rest of the population has an ill-conceived view of suppressors as well.
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Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2015, 08:32:30 PM »
Quote from: 2aHawaii on October 22, 2015, 12:52:16 PM
Still, this is a start. If it gets removed from the National list of "things that are dangerous," it has a better chance of being removed from the state list of "things that are dangerous."
Yep, it's a start at least.   IDK, but does Hawaii LE use suppressors and if so for what reason?
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mamalukino

Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2015, 11:00:39 AM »
Quote from: one2boost on October 22, 2015, 05:31:59 PM
I am curious on the numbers, what are the alarming numbers of a legal suppressor used in a crimes throughout the nation and possibly by each state?

There have only been 167 prosecutions at the federal level regarding suppressors in the last 10 or so years; most for possession.
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mamalukino

Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2015, 11:05:54 AM »
Some have also argued that suppressors would be used in more crimes if they are legalized. However, the facts show this is not the case. Suppressors are rarely used in crimes, according to the Western Criminology Review. After a review of ten years of criminal prosecution by the federal government, they found, on average, only “30-40 total cases per year” of a suppressor being used in connection with a crime. That’s less than 1% of federal prosecutions, considering each year there are between 75,000 and 80,000 federal criminal prosecutions by the federal government. Additionally, those charged with using a suppressor in a crime were often charged after an illegal suppressor was found during a lawful search and not necessarily during the commission of a violent crime.
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nf9648

Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2015, 03:07:02 PM »
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2015, 06:11:53 PM »
Quote from: mamalukino on October 23, 2015, 11:05:54 AM
Some have also argued that suppressors would be used in more crimes if they are legalized. However, the facts show this is not the case. Suppressors are rarely used in crimes, according to the Western Criminology Review. After a review of ten years of criminal prosecution by the federal government, they found, on average, only “30-40 total cases per year” of a suppressor being used in connection with a crime. That’s less than 1% of federal prosecutions, considering each year there are between 75,000 and 80,000 federal criminal prosecutions by the federal government. Additionally, those charged with using a suppressor in a crime were often charged after an illegal suppressor was found during a lawful search and not necessarily during the commission of a violent crime.

I think we would see a rise in their use in crimes if legalized here, but I suspect it would be marginal.
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michaelkih

Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2015, 06:33:41 PM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on October 23, 2015, 06:11:53 PM
I think we would see a rise in their use in crimes if legalized here, but I suspect it would be marginal.

No.  That's the mentality that the anti gun crowd has..  If legal in Hawaii, the suppressors would be owned by people who registered them with the ATF and paid a $200 for each one.  People who own legal NFA items in general don't use those items in crime pretty much at all.  If a criminal wants a suppressor in Hawaii, they will just make it like they already can and have.  I am positive there are a ton of unregistered suppressors in Hawaii.  Making them legal for law abiding citizens to own won't raise there use in crime at all.  I wish this mentality towards NFA in Hawaii would change.  I wish I could bring my machine gun collection to Hawaii, but fear that will never happen because of mentality like this in the state. :(
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2015, 10:59:33 PM »
Quote from: michaelkih on October 23, 2015, 06:33:41 PM
No.  That's the mentality that the anti gun crowd has..  If legal in Hawaii, the suppressors would be owned by people who registered them with the ATF and paid a $200 for each one.  People who own legal NFA items in general don't use those items in crime pretty much at all.  If a criminal wants a suppressor in Hawaii, they will just make it like they already can and have.  I am positive there are a ton of unregistered suppressors in Hawaii.  Making them legal for law abiding citizens to own won't raise there use in crime at all.  I wish this mentality towards NFA in Hawaii would change.  I wish I could bring my machine gun collection to Hawaii, but fear that will never happen because of mentality like this in the state. :(

I think the increase in presence would mean we would see an increase in their use simply because they would be much more available. Now your average legal gun owner isn't going to turn into a murder just because he has a silencer, but the increased availability means it would be easier for someone bad to get one. Even if it is just one stollen from a legal gun owner. But I don't think it would amount to a significant number of crimes.

That being said I haven't seen much in the way of data about silencer use in crimes to prove it one way or another. I would think that when it comes to using a silencer to commit a crime, it would be a hard thing to study. If someone shoots an individual with a silencer equipped, is forensics able to tell the a silencer was used? How would we collect accurate data on when and how silencers were used in murders? (Absent a witness or video camera capturing the incident)
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mamalukino

Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2015, 07:31:56 AM »
You can send a pre-written letter of support to Tulsi just by filling out a form and clicking your mouse a coupla times, here is the link: :thumbsup:

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808Hunta

Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2015, 08:08:55 AM »
Quote from: michaelkih on October 23, 2015, 06:33:41 PM
No.  That's the mentality that the anti gun crowd has..  If legal in Hawaii, the suppressors would be owned by people who registered them with the ATF and paid a $200 for each one.  People who own legal NFA items in general don't use those items in crime pretty much at all.  If a criminal wants a suppressor in Hawaii, they will just make it like they already can and have.  I am positive there are a ton of unregistered suppressors in Hawaii.  Making them legal for law abiding citizens to own won't raise there use in crime at all.  I wish this mentality towards NFA in Hawaii would change.  I wish I could bring my machine gun collection to Hawaii, but fear that will never happen because of mentality like this in the state. :(

This^^^  And as has been said above by Ren the general misconceptions and misinformation regarding silencers/suppressors is grossly overstated.  People are afraid of things they have no knowledge about its especially rampant here in HI regarding anything firearm related. As Ren found out through Experience silencer's are not silent. And depending on the type of ammo used it still has a sound signature that is very audible depending on caliber and velocity. Even sub sonic ammo while quieter still has a sound again depending on caliber will dictate the amount of sound created. And like Ren I speak from experience too bad those who make the decisions that matter don't know jack!!!  And they use the general public's ignorance to their advantage by spewing unfounded rubbish and/or claims and misinformation. And when the general public's main information on silencer's/suppressors is Hollywood its not hard to see why.
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Re: Silencers, mufflers, suppressors
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2015, 12:27:31 PM »
Quote from: mamalukino on October 29, 2015, 07:31:56 AM
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