What do you all use for Non/Less-than Lethal Carry???

Safety and personal protection is very important to us!

My every day carry is a Wild Fire Pepper Spray Keychain, Tactical Flashlight with strobe light and serrated edges, Leatherman Wave in belt case and Folding knife in pocket. Also carry a larger Mace Brand Police Edition Pepper Spray in my truck.

The Wife carries a Wild Fire Pepper Spray Keychain, as well as a tactical flashlight and larger Mace in purse and vehicle.

Sorry if this topic has been brought up before, but searched and couldn't find.

What do you carry?

I don't have any non-lethal carry items yet, but I have been thinking I should get the wife a can of pepper spray. I'm sure you're aware, but I'm pretty sure that knives are deadly weapons, so if you use one in self defense, the normal rules for deadly force would apply.

Pepper spray is about the only thing that is legal in Hawaii so if anyone is carrying a less lethal item, that's what they are carrying

Pepper Sprays being the most commonly known, other "Attention Getters" like screechers, personal alarms, whistles, super bright flashlights with strobes, kubotans, etc. etc. are all great for self defense, "less-than lethal" alternatives... So you can get yourself out of a bad situation... 

Until we get CCW, we have to be creative in the ways we protect ourselves and families.

Hopefully Hawaii gets CCW in my lifetime... Then other means like pepper sprays etc. are great for escalating force.
 

Being in shape and ready for either fight or flight is an essential part of the plan if using pepper sprays IMHO.  Pepper sprays are easily overcome by drugged out chronics.  It's better than nothing and a cell phone, but just be sure to be ready to pound and run. 

For those that may be frailer, I wish we had CC, or at least tasers. 

Being in shape and ready for either fight or flight is an essential part of the plan if using pepper sprays IMHO.  Pepper sprays are easily overcome by drugged out chronics.  It's better than nothing and a cell phone, but just be sure to be ready to pound and run.

Pound and run?

That describes my last three girlfriends.

Quote from: Heavies on October 10, 2011, 08:15:18 AM

Being in shape and ready for either fight or flight is an essential part of the plan if using pepper sprays IMHO.  Pepper sprays are easily overcome by drugged out chronics.  It's better than nothing and a cell phone, but just be sure to be ready to pound and run.

Pound and run?

That describes my last three girlfriends.

Doh!

Quote from: Heavies on October 10, 2011, 08:15:18 AM

Being in shape and ready for either fight or flight is an essential part of the plan if using pepper sprays IMHO.  Pepper sprays are easily overcome by drugged out chronics.  It's better than nothing and a cell phone, but just be sure to be ready to pound and run.

Pound and run?

That describes my last three girlfriends.

Heh Heh... 

I agree being in shape and knowing how to protect yourself is a great idea!

Pepper sprays are easily overcome by drugged out chronics. 

Agreed that being in shape and training is a huge component of your own safety.

 According to TeamSDSHawaii website, the pepper spray brand/type/whatever they have is not entirely based on pain to distract or disable the offender, which perhaps a coked out douche might be able to mitigate, but it also physically swells and shuts their eyes and makes it inconvenient to breathe.

/discuss

dive knife

Quote from: Heavies on October 10, 2011, 08:15:18 AM

Pepper sprays are easily overcome by drugged out chronics. 

Agreed that being in shape and training is a huge component of your own safety.

 According to TeamSDSHawaii website, the pepper spray brand/type/whatever they have is not entirely based on pain to distract or disable the offender, which perhaps a coked out douche might be able to mitigate, but it also physically swells and shuts their eyes and makes it inconvenient to breathe.

/discuss

That it does.... lack of vision, swelling the eyes shut, pain and discomfort, difficulty breathing, loss of bearings, etc.... thus giving you the chance to escape your threat... (crack head bastids!)

Have you tried it? 

If not, I request video of your suffering 

Have you tried it? 

If not, I request video of your suffering 

We can all get together and have a pepper spray each other party. 

prolly 8 yrs ago, I bought a keychain pepper sprayer.  Carried it for a year without testing it.  Finally, when it reached expiration date i tried it to see what kind of spray it would do and a small stream of spray came out prolly reaching a whopping 3-5 ft.  Sure if the bad guy stopped in front of you, stood completely still for you to spray him for about 10 seconds, it *could* be effective.  I was pretty disappointed to say the least.  Please tell me they've gotten better over the years?  Any you can recommend?

Have you tried it? 

If not, I request video of your suffering 

I cannot say i have taken a direct hit... I can say that I have felt the side effects of a test spray.... braddah... that was enough. Do not want...

I am in the process of working with a Self Defense Co. in the mainland that requires a spray and play test for certification.... I am so not looking forward to this.

prolly 8 yrs ago, I bought a keychain pepper sprayer.  Carried it for a year without testing it.  Finally, when it reached expiration date i tried it to see what kind of spray it would do and a small stream of spray came out prolly reaching a whopping 3-5 ft.  Sure if the bad guy stopped in front of you, stood completely still for you to spray him for about 10 seconds, it *could* be effective.  I was pretty disappointed to say the least.  Please tell me they've gotten better over the years?  Any you can recommend?

808. sorry for your bad experience.

Pepper sprays are like any aerosol type products and lose their "punch" over time. You probably had an older unit. Most keychain types are good for about 6-10 shots at about 8 feet or so. Many of our products are dated and we along with most good dealers/manufactorers recommend they be replaced by/before their expiration date. Our sprays are the latest production units and we only re-order when we are low on stock to keep them "fresh"

They are inexpensive, cheap to replace and offer a good self defense product for the money spent.

We also offer MACE units which are higher end products with trigger sprays, more distance, better coverage and features, depending on unit.

Please feel free to check out our site and/or contact us for more info. We are more than glad to help! http://www.selfdefensesolutionshawaii.com

Mahalo,

Joey

Quote from: Dregs on November 11, 2011, 12:51:52 PM

Have you tried it? 

If not, I request video of your suffering 

We can all get together and have a pepper spray each other party. 

heh heh... you bring the beers and pu pu's... i bring da sprays...

I'm a little surprised that martial arts training doesn't come up more frequently in these discussions. Maybe I just haven't been around those discussions, though.

There are many different flavors of martial arts out there to suit your taste and the benefits go way beyond just being able to defend yourself.

One of the things that is hugely missing from civilian experience is a combat-ready mindset. Martial arts gives you the opportunity to play with that edge and get used to it without endangering yourself. Its not the same as combat training to be sure, but its better than nothing as it gets the body into instant reaction mode. Once you break that ice your body applies it more readily to other skills - like shooting, provided you don't train yourself into handicaps with your shooting. Other than guitar lessons, I consider the martial arts training I've done over the years (not much, but enough) to be some of the most valuable time I've ever spent. The judo lessons as a young teenager have more than paid for themselves just in terms of potential injuries I've rolled or slapped out of since then.

Not that it replaces non-lethal carry devices. I've just always wondered at the logic of going to the gym to work out when one could get similar health benefits and MUCH more life skills at a dojo. Especially when it comes to well rounded and effective self defense.

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One of my favorite shooter videos... "The Professional Russian" testing out a gun while shot with pepper spray.... (wait till commercial over)



Now you tell me... heh heh


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