I'm a little surprised that martial arts training doesn't come up more frequently in these discussions. Maybe I just haven't been around those discussions, though.

There are many different flavors of martial arts out there to suit your taste and the benefits go way beyond just being able to defend yourself.

One of the things that is hugely missing from civilian experience is a combat-ready mindset. Martial arts gives you the opportunity to play with that edge and get used to it without endangering yourself. Its not the same as combat training to be sure, but its better than nothing as it gets the body into instant reaction mode. Once you break that ice your body applies it more readily to other skills - like shooting, provided you don't train yourself into handicaps with your shooting. Other than guitar lessons, I consider the martial arts training I've done over the years (not much, but enough) to be some of the most valuable time I've ever spent. The judo lessons as a young teenager have more than paid for themselves just in terms of potential injuries I've rolled or slapped out of since then.

Not that it replaces non-lethal carry devices. I've just always wondered at the logic of going to the gym to work out when one could get similar health benefits and MUCH more life skills at a dojo. Especially when it comes to well rounded and effective self defense.

^^^ Oh I agree, I agree 100%.

Personal training is where its at. We fully support Martial Arts training and all types of self defense....

We like to offer our products to all law-abiding citizens... Men, women, children, elderly, etc.  Our goal is for a safe Hawaii for all common people.

Quote from: clshade on November 28, 2011, 11:19:09 PM

I'm a little surprised that martial arts training doesn't come up more frequently in these discussions. Maybe I just haven't been around those discussions, though.

There are many different flavors of martial arts out there to suit your taste and the benefits go way beyond just being able to defend yourself.

One of the things that is hugely missing from civilian experience is a combat-ready mindset. Martial arts gives you the opportunity to play with that edge and get used to it without endangering yourself. Its not the same as combat training to be sure, but its better than nothing as it gets the body into instant reaction mode. Once you break that ice your body applies it more readily to other skills - like shooting, provided you don't train yourself into handicaps with your shooting. Other than guitar lessons, I consider the martial arts training I've done over the years (not much, but enough) to be some of the most valuable time I've ever spent. The judo lessons as a young teenager have more than paid for themselves just in terms of potential injuries I've rolled or slapped out of since then.

Not that it replaces non-lethal carry devices. I've just always wondered at the logic of going to the gym to work out when one could get similar health benefits and MUCH more life skills at a dojo. Especially when it comes to well rounded and effective self defense.

^^^ Oh I agree, I agree 100%.

Personal training is where its at. We fully support Martial Arts training and all types of self defense....

We like to offer our products to all law-abiding citizens... Men, women, children, elderly, etc.  Our goal is for a safe Hawaii for all common people.

This issue has been discussed here before.

Martial arts training has a very deeply rooted tie into "local" people.
I was taking Muay Thai in the 80's when it was not popular.
Years ago the Hawaii JIKC  used to dominate the national championships. I'm not sure about now. Its been a long time since I've been involved.

I think though that the use of pepper spray is more prudent for a child or an elderly person than any martial arts training.
 With very few exceptions, an elderly person with two months of training is not going to be able to stop two teenage punks from robbing him. (by physically beating them in a fight.

Hosing them down with pepper spray on the other hand will definitely stop most assaults.

For some strange reason, breathing is more important than stealing a wallet. 

I wish I had gotten into martial arts early on.  Now in my late 20's it's hard not to feel like it's too late, though I know it's not.  I just have no idea where to begin, or what direction to go in.

Anyhow, about the original question..

I carry at least one of the following:
-Tactical lights.  Preferably one that takes two AA's.  I like 4Sevens Quark AA2, Fenix LD20, and the EagleTac D25A2 Mini.
-Tactical Pens.  Schrade or Smith & Wesson's.  Also the Cold Steel Sharkie is good, just bulkie!
-Pepper Spray (sometimes)

One thing I got but don't use yet is a cane.  I picked up with goofy one with a skull handle from Cold Steel on sale. Haha, I know.  But I'd like to find a wooden one, strong, lightweight.  Maybe I'll have to make it myself.  If you train with it, I'd think a cane would be an awesome non-lethal self defense weapon.

I wish I had gotten into martial arts early on.  Now in my late 20's it's hard not to feel like it's too late, though I know it's not.  I just have no idea where to begin, or what direction to go in.

Anyhow, about the original question..

I carry at least one of the following:
-Tactical lights.  Preferably one that takes two AA's.  I like 4Sevens Quark AA2, Fenix LD20, and the EagleTac D25A2 Mini.
-Tactical Pens.  Schrade or Smith & Wesson's.  Also the Cold Steel Sharkie is good, just bulkie!
-Pepper Spray (sometimes)

One thing I got but don't use yet is a cane.  I picked up with goofy one with a skull handle from Cold Steel on sale. Haha, I know.  But I'd like to find a wooden one, strong, lightweight.  Maybe I'll have to make it myself.  If you train with it, I'd think a cane would be an awesome non-lethal self defense weapon.

I have a great one.

I got it from cane masters. http://www.canemasters.com/

Incredibly strong and durable.

You can even get it with training exercises for self defense "cane style".

Sorry been out for a while... but canes are a great personal defense weapon.

Canes are totally legal for travel and can be a great self defense weapon if need be....

You don't have to be disabled to use a cane. Canes are perfectly legal thru TSA and on airlines...

We are looking to carry a line of self defense canes soon!

Good call!!!

If anyone remembers grandmas/tutu's canes... they can be brutal....

^^^ Oh I agree, I agree 100%.

Personal training is where its at. We fully support Martial Arts training and all types of self defense....

We like to offer our products to all law-abiding citizens... Men, women, children, elderly, etc.  Our goal is for a safe Hawaii for all common people.


This issue has been discussed here before.

Martial arts training has a very deeply rooted tie into "local" people.
I was taking Muay Thai in the 80's when it was not popular.
Years ago the Hawaii JIKC  used to dominate the national championships. I'm not sure about now. Its been a long time since I've been involved.

I think though that the use of pepper spray is more prudent for a child or an elderly person than any martial arts training.
 With very few exceptions, an elderly person with two months of training is not going to be able to stop two teenage punks from robbing him. (by physically beating them in a fight.

Hosing them down with pepper spray on the other hand will definitely stop most assaults.

For some strange reason, breathing is more important than stealing a wallet. 

I think people would be better off skipping 'martial arts' and just focusing on defensive training. What I am saying here is that learning arm bars, take downs, or blocking punches, might not be as effective as learning how to break someone grabbing you, or learning to gouge eyes, punch in the throat, stomp at the foot area etc.  These are some things we could probably spend 3-4 hours a month teaching people, that they might actually be able to accomplish without 2-3 times a week of hitting the mat.

Of course, as with anything, the more they practice the better they get and the more likely they will be able to help themselves.

I think people would be better off skipping 'martial arts' and just focusing on defensive training. What I am saying here is that learning arm bars, take downs, or blocking punches, might not be as effective as learning how to break someone grabbing you, or learning to gouge eyes, punch in the throat, stomp at the foot area etc.  These are some things we could probably spend 3-4 hours a month teaching people, that they might actually be able to accomplish without 2-3 times a week of hitting the mat.

Of course, as with anything, the more they practice the better they get and the more likely they will be able to help themselves.

Or multiple assailants.


1. Stainless steel sharpie
2. Tactical light with serrated edge (is a bad idea if it went up to court) Example: if the assailant decided to call the cops on you first and they manage to get a lawyer with photos of their injuries the ill inform jury might side with him.
3. Pepper spray (best way to use it is to catch them by surprise not by standing there trying to scare them off with it) Also if you do use run to safety instead of standing around and call 911.
4. I would rather have CCW permit but definitely need a class for it even with CCW can go wrong sometimes.
5. multi-tool especailly if you are at work or sumthing.

^^^ Oh I agree, I agree 100%.

Personal training is where its at. We fully support Martial Arts training and all types of self defense....

We like to offer our products to all law-abiding citizens... Men, women, children, elderly, etc.  Our goal is for a safe Hawaii for all common people.


This issue has been discussed here before.

Martial arts training has a very deeply rooted tie into "local" people.
I was taking Muay Thai in the 80's when it was not popular.
Years ago the Hawaii JIKC  used to dominate the national championships. I'm not sure about now. Its been a long time since I've been involved.

I think though that the use of pepper spray is more prudent for a child or an elderly person than any martial arts training.
 With very few exceptions, an elderly person with two months of training is not going to be able to stop two teenage punks from robbing him. (by physically beating them in a fight.

Hosing them down with pepper spray on the other hand will definitely stop most assaults.

For some strange reason, breathing is more important than stealing a wallet. 

AHHH JIKC my old alma mater. the founder passed away in 2009 missed the funeral
I wonder what happened to them.

Check out Star Bulletin response on Pepper Sprays.... 


http://archives.starbulletin.com/content/20100318_pepper_spray_sales_dont_need_background_check

What about escrima sticks?  Shorter than a cane but very effective with proper training.

What about escrima sticks?  Shorter than a cane but very effective with proper training.

They might be considered "billy clubs" and therefore illegal to possess.....although the case notes for HRS 134-51 say numchuks are not classified as deadly weapons, so.....

I had some nunchucks, til I got hit in the nuts

Think we've all been  there, done that. Oh the painful memories.

Hey SDS you on maui right? Do you guys have a store front location where you sell this stuff? I wouldn't mind stoping by one day I'm on maui

Hey SDS you on maui right? Do you guys have a store front location where you sell this stuff? I wouldn't mind stoping by one day I'm on maui

Hey SDS you on maui right? Do you guys have a store front location where you sell this stuff? I wouldn't mind stoping by one day I'm on maui

No bro, sorry, no store front yet... and yeah we on Maui... Some of our product are sold at a couple stores here on Maui... Central Guns & Ammo & Uncle Jesse's....

Anyone from this forum gets a 10% off any in stock product (if you buy from us) if you contact us direct!!!

We will meet and provide product directly to anyone on Maui!!! Just give us a heads up!

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I'll hit you up next time I'm on maui for sure

I'll hit you up next time I'm on maui for sure

Sounds good... give us a heads up and we take care.... automatic...


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I had long wondered about the legality of extendable batons, such as ASP, here in Hawaii.  It seems no two gun stores would ever give me the same response as to whether it was legal to carry.  I finally emailed HPD directly and this was the response I got.

Hope you’re having a good morning.  The Hawaii Revised Statute or City and County Revised Ordinance had no law stating the public are not allowed to carry a collapsible baton. Collapsible baton is used in a commission of a crime than the person shall be arrested for the offense.

I saved the email just in case for whatever reason I needed some sort of documentation of it.

I later inquired to an officer in person of his veiwings to the legality.  He informed me that carrying it, and using it for self defense was perfectly legal.  But if at any point you are "playing around" with it, or for whatever reason have it extended in a non emergency circumstance, then you would be brandishiing a dangerous weapon and could be arrested.  As for wearing it out an open on the belt, he said that it is in the same vein as wearing a fixed blade knife, where while there may be no specific law against it, it may be up to the officers discrection to ask you to remove it as it is causing a "public disturbance".  And that not all officers may be 100% keen on the specifics of the law, and will er on the side of caution.

For the record, while I do once in awhile still carry the baton on me here and there, I find it too heavy and too much a burdon on normal day to day functions.  But I did in the past carry it when I felt the need for an added deterrent or layer of defense that pepper spray didn't always provide.  Like when I used to deliver pizzas in Wahiawa (always with my managers approval).

I find walking sticks and canes to be amazing improvised self defense weapons coupled with the proper training.  But sometimes social conventions or circumstances might prevent someone from carrying one on them.  A 26 year old in decent shape with no limp, might look at little out of place carrying around a pimp stick.

I still frequent bars on my nights off, and one common item that is often looked over is a pool cue.  I often frequent bars that have at least one table, and while I may not make a night out of playing, I like to at least squeeze one game in here and there.  Carrying a pool cue in a case isn't that odd of a sight at night in downtown Honolulu or Waikiki.  Its a very grey mentality, I doubt any bar owner, police officer, or patron would give you a second look.  The lower end of a 2 piece stick makes a fantastic "escrima-esqe" stick.  When I would walk home from the bar, I would have the case already half zipped open, with just enough space to get my fingers in and pull.

A cheap walmart pool shooter will usually cost less than 20 bucks, and many would argue that they still shoot better than most house cues.

Just be a decent enough player... or people will give you crap how they beat you even though you're a "pro".