Carter is really good about responding to emails.

He hasn't been responding to mine.

Carter is really good about responding to emails.

He hasn't been responding to mine.

Fellas I haven't seen Carter in like a year at the shop.

Fellas I haven't seen Carter in like a year at the shop.

He said he was on the mainland

In 12 out of the 110 incidents identified by Everytown, the shooters had demonstrated some evidence of a mental illness, but there was no evidence that any of them had been mentally adjudicated or involuntarily committed for treatment.

My reading comprehension is fine.
Your Google fu is strong. Intellect, not so much.
Did you re-read your original post ? You're making an argument for the psych letter !
If I was anti-2A I would quote it !

Your second post is much better.

And my Vienna sausage is at least 6 inches long !   

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He hasn't been responding to mine.

Good luck with OGC boys.
Hope they can accommodate your timetable.

I spent a lot of time spreading the gospel on this issue when it first broke, both on the range and on this forum. I'm glad that my  efforts and those of others paid off. I have been watching the forum and reading mostly. For those of you who were the nay sayers, the non believers, and the non participants, you can now reap the rewards. For those that spent their own money to get their permit, you were successful in more ways than one. You proved how hypocritical this purely HPD manufactured fiasco was. The pressure kept increasing through the mayors office and those legislators that were contacted. And then there was the checkmate move by Dumgun on TV. Well he wasn't  that dumb after all. Once I saw that on TV, I knew it was over. My second signal came last Tuesday, when Holcomb no longer thought he can win because the rule would change now that the story broke in the news. For that guy Dzine808  that stood in line after the fiasco was over and thought that it was funny that some people paid and he didn't. I say to you "hero's are those that make sacrifices for others".  You and others on this forum pay thousands of dollars for guns. You waste thousands of dollars in ammunition. Yet you complain about spending a couple of hundred dollars to expedite a process. This was a classic example of David slaying Goliath. We also saw those that made things happen, those that watched things happen and those that are still wondering what happened. For the last two, try harder next time. Out.....

I hate to sound like a broken record, but I think this is an important point.  The law DOES NOT require "clearance from your doctor."  It requires your doctor to disclose mental health info to HPD.  HPD makes the qualified/disqualified decision... based on what standard?

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     (1)  Is or has been under treatment or counseling for addiction to, abuse of, or dependence upon any dangerous, harmful, or detrimental drug, intoxicating compound as defined in section 712-1240, or intoxicating liquor;

     (2)  Has been acquitted of a crime on the grounds of mental disease, disorder, or defect pursuant to section 704-411; or

     (3)  Is or has been diagnosed as having a significant behavioral, emotional, or mental disorders as defined by the most current diagnostic manual of the American Psychiatric Association or for treatment for organic brain   syndromes;

The doctor needs to give no clearance, they must disclose if any of the above applies, if none applies they (the Dr.) the need do nothing.  So if any of that applies HPD must determine on this above.

If you register a day or two late, HPD usually doesn't say anything.  If they do, tell them it's their fault for denying you the first time (assuming OGC was not on vacation yet).   

I've registered a few days late because I couldn't get there before 3:00 and the doors were already locked.  It was Friday, so I just went Monday.

Once you have the permit and the firearm, you've covered the major requirements for acquisition.   So, don't sweat the registration.  Before the deadline is always better, but a little late won't be a problem.

YMMV.

Yeah they seem to be pretty understanding on the registration issue. I sold two rifles last year and the buyer (a friend) took 45 days to register them. He's military so maybe they cut him some slack, but I always mail in the required information after a private party sale so they contacted him and asked why he didn't register in the required timeframe. He went down the next day and had no issues registering. LIke you said, YMMV.

I don't think it's the registration, it's the permit expiration.
Good for 10 days.

Yeah they seem to be pretty understanding on the registration issue. I sold two rifles last year and the buyer (a friend) took 45 days to register them. He's military so maybe they cut him some slack, but I always mail in the required information after a private party sale so they contacted him and asked why he didn't register in the required timeframe. He went down the next day and had no issues registering. LIke you said, YMMV.

This happened to me. I bought a rifle at X-Ring and took it home, put it in my safe and forgot about it. Got a call about 3 months later. They didn't seem too worried about it. They told me I had 3 days to get it registered. They didn't threaten me or scold me or anything. Very polite and straight forward.

Back to the old way, except there was a special "Kaiser" form that you, yourself, needed to fill out. Simple sign and date. Oh and right thumb finger printing as well. I chummed it up with some guys in line that spent $200 to get a psych evaluation, but I informed them they didn't need to and seemed pretty miffed that they spent that money. I just told them that it was good they had it and if HPD did want it, then they'd actually have it on hand. But HPD didn't ask and so they're out a few hundred LOL! But other then that...good to go

Thank you for the update.

I have had a pistol sitting at OGC for a couple of weeks now.  I bought it as a back for a trip I'm taking for a class.  Crappy thing is my backup is now no longer going to be that..........because of the timing of all this horseshit I have to take a completely different platform.

Anyhow that you for your hard work and input.

I spent a lot of time spreading the gospel on this issue when it first broke, both on the range and on this forum. I'm glad that my  efforts and those of others paid off. I have been watching the forum and reading mostly. For those of you who were the nay sayers, the non believers, and the non participants, you can now reap the rewards. For those that spent their own money to get their permit, you were successful in more ways than one. You proved how hypocritical this purely HPD manufactured fiasco was. The pressure kept increasing through the mayors office and those legislators that were contacted. And then there was the checkmate move by Dumgun on TV. Well he wasn't  that dumb after all. Once I saw that on TV, I knew it was over. My second signal came last Tuesday, when Holcomb no longer thought he can win because the rule would change now that the story broke in the news. For that guy Dzine808  that stood in line after the fiasco was over and thought that it was funny that some people paid and he didn't. I say to you "hero's are those that make sacrifices for others".  You and others on this forum pay thousands of dollars for guns. You waste thousands of dollars in ammunition. Yet you complain about spending a couple of hundred dollars to expedite a process. This was a classic example of David slaying Goliath. We also saw those that made things happen, those that watched things happen and those that are still wondering what happened. For the last two, try harder next time. Out.....

I think when I sent my DR. SHUN (my PCP), an email about HPD giving out his clearance letter as an example, he got upset and sent a cease and desist letter and got the kaiser legal eagles on the warpath. My appearance on the news maybe got some got some ears perked. The Dumbgun moniker is in reference to my adherence in shooting iron sights. "Dumbgun". If you put batteries in an attachment and attach to rifle That is a "Smartgun". If you spend thousands on an AR and need gizmos you are a fool. A nicely armed fool. In real world SHTF episode, some one trained like me will take your thousand dollar gun for free. Paper has no pulse. I ain't no "operator" I am an old school "shooter" some of you old timers know what that means.

As to my concern about OGC being closed. I am simply concerned about HPD coming up with a new "policy" OGC staff email said two people have keys. One in cali the other in arizona. I have never owned a gun store. But, I would not leave my "gun store" unattended without any way for police and fire to address concerns, not to mention maintenance and or incoming deliveries. I am seeking out of anger as when I purchased the pistol 11/24/15 No one at OGC had alerted are about the Kaiser denials. No problem taking my money though. I like the old store better. I liked Magnum when they sold rims and guns he was humble then. Got big time, hobnobbed with HPD then was an overnight assshole. OGC seems to be following the same business plan.

Overall I agree with you. Too much talk pointing out the obvious. Not enough doing. Most will sit out the fight and yet stand up for the accolades and claim as their own. I will continue my empty holster protest. I will strive to calmly educate and ease the fears of the uninformed. Wait a minute. I just might be DUMB

Has anybody who has Kaiser gone down to HPD since since Jan 1 2016 and been able to pick up their permits for firearms, I know they went back to the old way, sign the release form, thumb print. But I was just told by somebody at Kaiser that their lawyers are still reviewing the matter and that Kaiser has not sent back anything to HPD, so you wont be able to get your permit.
And on top of that somebody went done to the Kaiser Records section at Dole Cannery and went off on the people there, that they considered it a hostile work incident and so you can no longer go down there in person to get a copy of your records etc.., it appears your going to have request submit some kind form thru the mail, sign it and mail it back.

And on top of that somebody went done to the Kaiser Records section at Dole Cannery and went off on the people there, that they considered it a hostile work incident and so you can no longer go down there in person to get a copy of your records etc..

Didn't someone here post that they went down there and caused trouble?

Has anybody who has Kaiser gone down to HPD since since Jan 1 2016 and been able to pick up their permits for firearms, I know they went back to the old way, sign the release form, thumb print. But I was just told by somebody at Kaiser that their lawyers are still reviewing the matter and that Kaiser has not sent back anything to HPD, so you wont be able to get your permit.
And on top of that somebody went done to the Kaiser Records section at Dole Cannery and went off on the people there, that they considered it a hostile work incident and so you can no longer go down there in person to get a copy of your records etc.., it appears your going to have request submit some kind form thru the mail, sign it and mail it back.

I just went today 1/11 they don't even ask what coverage you have. It's all good.

no different kaiser or straub form, thats totally new.

Don't worry about forms.The line moved quickly, have your forms pre filled. You'll have to redo one but at least you have a copy.

Hopefully this may help understand the reason why Kaiser and Straub are somehow linked in.   I may have disclosed this elsewhere if I did please disregard.   Kaiser and Straub utilize and Electronic Medical Records (EMR) system which was developed by Epic. This allows for your patient records to be electronically filed away and pulled up by a Kaiser physician (I believe Straub may also be able to pull with prior approval).  The EMR project was suppose to be done country wide back in somewhere around 2008 and tax credits $$$ were offered physicians to set up their files under an EMR system.  There were definite benefits, if you vacationing in Las Vegas and got into a bad accident, the ER will need to pull your files.  They are supposed to EMR master system and it pulls down your medical records (i.e. allergic to penicillin...you can die).  Intentions to implement this were good but has not gone well, there is a learning curve.  Note: Your longtime Dr.is probably not on an EMR systems if he walks into the exam room carrying a file folder that requires a roller bag.  Regardless, in my opinion, the reason for Kaiser and Straub being targeted is the EMR system should provide almost instant access of my medical records. 

§134-7
 
     (1)  Is or has been under treatment or counseling for addiction to, abuse of, or dependence upon any dangerous, harmful, or detrimental drug, intoxicating compound as defined in section 712-1240, or intoxicating liquor;

     (2)  Has been acquitted of a crime on the grounds of mental disease, disorder, or defect pursuant to section 704-411; or

     (3)  Is or has been diagnosed as having a significant behavioral, emotional, or mental disorders as defined by the most current diagnostic manual of the American Psychiatric Association or for treatment for organic brain   syndromes;

The doctor needs to give no clearance, they must disclose if any of the above applies, if none applies they (the Dr.) the need do nothing.  So if any of that applies HPD must determine on this above.

Yes, you do need a doctor's, or more correctly, a medical clearance. You need to read the entirety of the statute:

 (c)  No person who:
     (1)  Is or has been under treatment or counseling for addiction to, abuse of, or dependence upon any dangerous, harmful, or detrimental drug, intoxicating compound as defined in section 712-1240, or intoxicating liquor;

     (2)  Has been acquitted of a crime on the grounds of mental disease, disorder, or defect pursuant to section 704-411; or

     (3)  Is or has been diagnosed as having a significant behavioral, emotional, or mental disorders as defined by the most current diagnostic manual of the American Psychiatric Association or for treatment for organic brain syndromes;

shall own, possess, or control any firearm or ammunition therefor, unless the person has been medically documented to be no longer adversely affected by the addiction, abuse, dependence, mental disease, disorder, or defect.
     (d)  No person who is less than twenty-five years old and has been adjudicated by the family court to have committed a felony, two or more crimes of violence, or an illegal sale of any drug shall own, possess or control any firearm or ammunition therefor.
     (e)  No minor who:
     (1)  Is or has been under treatment for addiction to any dangerous, harmful, or detrimental drug, intoxicating compound as defined in section 712-1240, or intoxicating liquor;

     (2)  Is a fugitive from justice; or

     (3)  Has been determined not to have been responsible for a criminal act or has been committed to any institution on account of a mental disease, disorder, or defect;

shall own, possess, or control any firearm or ammunition therefor, unless the minor has been medically documented to be no longer adversely affected by the addiction, mental disease, disorder, or defect.

I think when I sent my DR. SHUN (my PCP), an email about HPD giving out his clearance letter as an example, he got upset and sent a cease and desist letter and got the kaiser legal eagles on the warpath. My appearance on the news maybe got some got some ears perked. The Dumbgun moniker is in reference to my adherence in shooting iron sights. "Dumbgun". If you put batteries in an attachment and attach to rifle That is a "Smartgun". If you spend thousands on an AR and need gizmos you are a fool. A nicely armed fool. In real world SHTF episode, some one trained like me will take your thousand dollar gun for free. Paper has no pulse. I ain't no "operator" I am an old school "shooter" some of you old timers know what that means.

As to my concern about OGC being closed. I am simply concerned about HPD coming up with a new "policy" OGC staff email said two people have keys. One in cali the other in arizona. I have never owned a gun store. But, I would not leave my "gun store" unattended without any way for police and fire to address concerns, not to mention maintenance and or incoming deliveries. I am seeking out of anger as when I purchased the pistol 11/24/15 No one at OGC had alerted are about the Kaiser denials. No problem taking my money though. I like the old store better. I liked Magnum when they sold rims and guns he was humble then. Got big time, hobnobbed with HPD then was an overnight assshole. OGC seems to be following the same business plan.

Overall I agree with you. Too much talk pointing out the obvious. Not enough doing. Most will sit out the fight and yet stand up for the accolades and claim as their own. I will continue my empty holster protest. I will strive to calmly educate and ease the fears of the uninformed. Wait a minute. I just might be DUMB

I tried a red dot for bullseye shooting about a month ago and my groups shrank in half. It was an Aimpoint T1 on a 1911. I want to be smart.

Yes, you do need a doctor's, or more correctly, a medical clearance. You need to read the entirety of the statute:

 (c)  No person who:
     (1)  Is or has been under treatment or counseling for addiction to, abuse of, or dependence upon any dangerous, harmful, or detrimental drug, intoxicating compound as defined in section 712-1240, or intoxicating liquor;

     (2)  Has been acquitted of a crime on the grounds of mental disease, disorder, or defect pursuant to section 704-411; or

     (3)  Is or has been diagnosed as having a significant behavioral, emotional, or mental disorders as defined by the most current diagnostic manual of the American Psychiatric Association or for treatment for organic brain syndromes;

shall own, possess, or control any firearm or ammunition therefor, unless the person has been medically documented to be no longer adversely affected by the addiction, abuse, dependence, mental disease, disorder, or defect.
     (d)  No person who is less than twenty-five years old and has been adjudicated by the family court to have committed a felony, two or more crimes of violence, or an illegal sale of any drug shall own, possess or control any firearm or ammunition therefor.
     (e)  No minor who:
     (1)  Is or has been under treatment for addiction to any dangerous, harmful, or detrimental drug, intoxicating compound as defined in section 712-1240, or intoxicating liquor;

     (2)  Is a fugitive from justice; or

     (3)  Has been determined not to have been responsible for a criminal act or has been committed to any institution on account of a mental disease, disorder, or defect;

shall own, possess, or control any firearm or ammunition therefor, unless the minor has been medically documented to be no longer adversely affected by the addiction, mental disease, disorder, or defect.

Understood.  What I was trying to say is that if a person never had any of the disqualifying conditions,  then no DRs blessing is required.