I know this isn't the section for this stuff, but more people will see it.  Starting today at HPD if you are going to do the paper work to get a permit to aquire (Rifle or Handgun), Kaiser and Straub Hospital changed their procedure. You now have to go and see your personal Doctor have them submit a letter with the Hospital letterhead, saying your not nuts on drugs etc... They then can fax a copy, but still have to mail in the original or if your Doctor will let you, you can take it in when you go to pick up your permit. If the don't let you take the original or a copy in, and they don't fax or mail it in by the last pickup date for your permit, you will have to do the whole 2 week back ground check again.   
Have fun !!

Applies only to Kaiser and Straub?

So far just those 2 changed, I was done at HPD today when they told me about the change, on the paper they gave me it tells the Doctor what they are looking for and it also has a copy of HRS 134-18, which informs them that they cant be held liable if you go nuts after its submitted. Kaiser is the one that is anti-guns, if you qualify for a LEOSA permit, you don't want to go to them it will get rejected and all screwed, you are better off going paying an outside Doctor to get the medical side or the LEOSA requirement's  taken care of.

To add to this:

If you have sought treatment in the past or have any type of mental condition that no longer effects your ability to own firearms, you will need to get a a letter with specific wording in order for it to be accepted by the firearms department. 

My question is: why isn't their webpage being updated with this information? Isn't that required by law?

That is correct under


Hawaii Administrative Procedure Act   (HRS 91-3)


Each rule adopted, amended or repealed will become effective ten days after filing it with the lieutenant governor if it is a state and with the county clerks if it is a county. -

So I was also down at HPD this morning.  I too was handed this wonderful work of art from HPD.  Now as it was explained to me this is Straub and Kaiser's policies. 

To me the way I read this letter it's more like some upper management from HPD or the C&C probably is forcing Straub and Kaiser to sign off on a letter like this.  The way in which the certification is phrased seems to be very provocative.  Now keep in mind the way the disclaimer reads this is in regards to only the application for permit.  I think this was intentionally phrased this way to make doctors think about civil suits later should someone be caught with a firearm that is not strictly following the letter (or otherwise spirit of the laws).

So F-U to the Chief of Police and to the Mayor Mr. Kirk Caldwell.

So this is just  change in Straub/Kaiser's policy, right?

First of all, the title is misspelled.  CLEARENCE should be CLEARANCE!!

Secondly, this letter implies that the individual did at one time have one or more of the issues listed.  This is no better than asking, "Did you stop beating your wife?" if you have never beaten her. 

Are you sure this is for everyone and not just those who were denied by their health provider in the past?

This is most likely the result of Kaiser taking it in the shorts for certifying Uesugi years ago.

Does one have to have a Dr's note. What if you don't have or go to a Dr.

Secondly, this letter implies that the individual did at one time have one or more of the issues listed.
Are you sure this is for everyone and not just those who were denied by their health provider in the past?

I was wondering the same thing, "has been medically documented to be no longer adversely affected by the addiction"..., does not seem like it would apply to everyone.

This is what I have to do bc I got red flagged
I saw an outside psychologist and got the same letter done
Is this now for everyone even if they're not flagged?
Sounds like bs
Hopefully my letter will be honored by hpd, I just got it earlier this year and supposed to be good for a year

Maybe this is one officers misinterpretation of policy

Does one have to have a Dr's note. What if you don't have or go to a Dr.

Maybe lucky for you.

Has anyone with the issues contacted wolfwood? 

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=20866.0

Could this possibly be retaliation for that ?

Just a thought.
And not that it's a reason not to contact Wolfwood.
All the more reason in fact.

Never heard of Straub doing this or most Kaiser people for that matter.

So, this just be Honolulu garbage? 

No mention of other counties joining the idiot bandwagon?

I'm Kaiser and I just applied for a permit to acquire a pistol last week, should i go down to hpd and ask if i need this clearance form? Or chance it and go try pick it up next week?

    [§134-2] (c)  An applicant for a permit shall sign a waiver at the time of application, allowing the chief of police of the county issuing the permit access to any records that have a bearing on the mental health of the applicant.
The permit application form and the waiver form shall be prescribed by the attorney general and shall be uniform throughout the State.


     [§134-3.5]  Disclosure for firearm permit and registration purposes.  A health care provider or public health authority shall disclose health information, including protected health care information, relating to an individual's mental health history, to the appropriate county chief of police in response to a request for the information from the chief of police; provided that:

     (1)  The information shall be used only for the purpose of evaluating the individual's fitness to acquire or own a firearm; and

     (2)  The individual has signed a waiver permitting release of the health information for that purpose. [L 2001, c 252, §1]



I don't see anything that says the applicant must have a direct examination or interview with the physician before any health information can be provided, nor that the applicant is required to contact the healthcare professional in any fashion.  The law states the Chief of Police must submit the request, and the healthcare professional responds directly to the Chief of Police. 

This is exactly the same issue as the non-naturalized US Resident being required to do his own background check though his consulate. 

HPD cannot ask us to do our own background check.  That is not only adding cost to the permit process (paying for an office visit), but it also lends itself to fraud.  When you allow the applicant to take part in his own background check, he'll find a way to get around it.

I'm going down in the afternoon to apply for a hand gun and I have Kaiser.