Is this confirmed that this is now happening to everyone with Straub and Kaiser ?

Might be a dumb question as it sounds confirmed, but I can't believe it as it sounds too far out of bounds.

They are already too far out of bounds, but what can we do?

These asshats keep making up bullshit policies as they go along.

If this is the trend, we should also require everyone wanting to vote to pass a psych eval, as well as a current events test.  Surely we don't want the mentally ill and the uninformed to vote in our elections, do we?

Otherwise voters might be reduced to simply voting for a political party or gender, simply because they aren't capable of voting responsibly!

 

This makes a lot of sense if you think about it.  Imagine how many people are killed yearly from poor political decisions and policy.....

For the people that are concerned, if you applied prior to yesterday, the new changes do not affect you.

just to clarify, hpd confirms this?

I went down this am and I am a Kaiser member. Here's the skinny.
In the past Kaiser sent the whole medical record to HPD. HPD says "we are not doctors can't read or understand what it says". True
"Our corporation attorney worded the document so that theres no doubt to the mental and drug related issues, not now not ever".
Kaiser's internal policy prohibits them from writing this type of letter. They will release medical info but not write a letter with the verbage required.
That leaves one option only. Find a doctor that has never seen you as a patient, doesn't know you from a hole in the ground, to give you a medical clearance letter. Really... how legal is that and what real doctor would want to stick their neck out.
It is very obvious that this letter is specifically meant to prevent one from acquiring as it presents hurdles that are insurmountable. Contact your politicians right away. Don't be a woose.

Therein lies the issue with Kaiser. Hawaii has a statue that provides indemnification for healthcare providers in regards to providing medical information and an "opinion" on the patient's suitability for owning a firearm. So, no physician, or healthcare provider, should be terribly concerned about liability.

"Therein lies the issue with Kaiser. Hawaii has a statue that provides indemnification for healthcare providers in regards to providing medical information and an "opinion" on the patient's suitability for owning a firearm. So, no physician, or healthcare provider, should be terribly concerned about liability".

This does not absolve them of being sued and going through the process of defending themselves. A law suit is the only thing that will sort this out. Call and email your representative and convince them in a civil manner how this is virtually preventing you from purchasing a weapon that you should rightfully be able to. 

Need help! Went to HPD today. I have Kaiser!

Registered a long gun with permit I got in July.

Applied for handgun permit and confirmed this entire fiasco!!!!

Spent the whole day calling around to find a Doctor willing to write the letter. No luck

Confirmed !

This sucks.

Need help! Went to HPD today. I have Kaiser!

Registered a long gun with permit I got in July.

Applied for handgun permit and confirmed this entire fiasco!!!!

Spent the whole day calling around to find a Doctor willing to write the letter. No luck

PM sent

"Therein lies the issue with Kaiser. Hawaii has a statue that provides indemnification for healthcare providers in regards to providing medical information and an "opinion" on the patient's suitability for owning a firearm. So, no physician, or healthcare provider, should be terribly concerned about liability".

This does not absolve them of being sued and going through the process of defending themselves. A law suit is the only thing that will sort this out. Call and email your representative and convince them in a civil manner how this is virtually preventing you from purchasing a weapon that you should rightfully be able to. 

And nothing does "absolve them of being sued and going through the process...." As we tell everyone, "any one can be sued for anything at any time."

You could, if you wanted, sue them for not providing you the letter for HPD. They would still have to go through the process of defending themselves....

Edit to my earlier comment - Reread the thread and found the Clearance Letter Form from GZire. (Mahalo for posting it.)

I'll be taking it down ahead of time and try to get my doctor to sign one for me. Will post if it's *possible* under a different insurance (whether she signs one for me or not).

Is this confirmed that this is now happening to everyone with Straub and Kaiser ?

Might be a dumb question as it sounds confirmed, but I can't believe it as it sounds too far out of bounds.

Yes I can personally confirm that I am getting forced to do the letter.  I have 0 family, past, or current mental issues.  My primary care physician (PCP) is affiliated with a Straub clinic and my insurance is through HMSA.  I will have to contact my PCP and see if he will provide a letter.  Been so busy I haven't been able to get to it.

just to clarify, hpd confirms this?

Yes HPD said the policy is only going into effect as of Monday, 11/23.  If you applied last Friday you should be in the clear for this round, but again when you apply for a future permit......................

"You could, if you wanted, sue them for not providing you the letter for HPD. They would still have to go through the process of defending themselves"....

Remember its a service they don't have to provide.  Me sue Kaiser?.... Lets all be realistic here.

The best thing to do right now is to stand up, email your representatives and the chief of police. Inundate them with emails. Don't be a bystander as this will affect everyone. if and when a lawsuit is necessary, be generous. Remember you spend a ton of money on firearms and more later on led down range. I have already contacted Richard Holcomb the attorney, I suggest you all do the same.  There are three kinds of people. Those that make things happen. Those that watch things happen, and then there are those that wonder if anything did happen. Lets knock this out. 

  This is adulterated BS!!!
Just wrote my Rep, a new guy who has promised me that he supports our cause. He is one of us.
Beats the shit out of Blake Oshiro even if he only half supports.
Promised him I would get a copy of the requirements, but I could not print the page from Gzires post.
G, have you or anyone got a printer friendly copy??
Please PM it to me.
Thanks
Gordy

I have HMSA but don't doubt that this kind of kukae may apply to everyone in the near future.   Maybe another backdoor attempt to infringe on individual natural rights in this country.

I have HMSA but don't doubt that this kind of kukae may apply to everyone in the near future.   Maybe another backdoor attempt to infringe on individual natural rights in this country.

It makes no difference if you have HMSA or Kaiser. If you go to Kaiser or Straub you will need to get the letter. If you go elsewhere , you will need the letter.

A few years back I had a kerfuffle with Kaiser and HPD (and it's posted on the forum). Bottom
line is that Kaiser made an error and disqualified me for a PTA.  HPD gave me the letter that has
been posted here.

When I went to my doctor (Dr Minami) he told me by letter that physicians at Kaiser
Hawaii do not personally participate in the disqualification of applicants for firearms.
It was in a form letter and I hope I kept it.  When I finally got the problem straightened
out I found that Kaiser Admin is (at that time at least) the party within Kaiser that communicated
with HPD, not my personal doctor.

The manager at Kaiser Admin told me that they look at my medical record for the account
codes associated with the psychology department - that's what the problem was for me, a
new employee simply say a psych account charge and sent a letter of disqualification
without further investigation. The Kaiser Admin manager told me that the proper procedure
was to refer the matter to a supervisor which will check deeeper into the type of account coding
this was. She said there are strict rules on what Admin can see in your record. What this code was
is a referral to a nutritionist (I'm overweight). That's all it was.

Kaiser apologized and verified with HPD that there was no problem (in fact, I had applied several
times since the disqualification for PTAs and had no problem. That was the aggravating fact of the
deal was that I was disqualified in August 2012 but HPD didn't catch up for 14 months, wtf?).

I found Kaiser to be very, very helpful and honest about the error with me, apologized and
contacted HPD (twice) to inform them that I was disqualified in error.

The letter posted here from HPD is the exact same letter given to me by HPD to take to my doctor.
Verbatim. So this has been around for awhile. I suspect that when there is a problem, like a
previous illness or condition, this letter is issued for clearance above and beyond the normal
clearance given.

So what you guys are describing here is a dramatic change in policy since the fall of 2013
when I went thru this.  When I shared this letter from HPD with a firearms owner who
is a local attorney, he was a bit surprised at the content and tone. He described it as
belligerent and probably not written by an attorney but a layperson. He wondered if any doctor
would sign this. 

I am going to contact Kaiser Admin soon to verfiy this new policy. 

Could try and get the laws changed.  I highly doubt they would pass a law to remove firearm permitting and registration requirements.  But probably could get a law passed to avoid this issue since it prevents the legal practice of 2a rights.  Legislative session starts in January, so now's the time for one of the senators or representative to start researching and putting a bill together.

Kaiser's policy has already been posted here and my Kaiser doctor informed me of it today. This letter you are referring to was drafted by someone in HPD. I was informed in was their Corp counsel. if true or not who knows. Political followed by public pressure and finally a class action lawsuit. I wish I had a medical license, It would be a great oppertunity to make some money. Kind of like the doctors that clear you for a medical marijuana card. Twenty  plus thousand letters a year at $125-150 per. Hmmm......

Okay, this is complete bullshit. I was planning on buying at least one handgun and another AR15 on Black Friday. My long gun permit expires next month. My insurance is with Kaiser as is my PCP. What are my options? From what I've read so far, it looks as if this letter crap is meant to basically pass the buck from HPD to Kaiser and vice versa. I haven't contacted my PCP yet to see if he'd be willing to write this letter. If he isn't, then what are my options?

Should I go ahead and purchase what I was going to and just see what happens?

Need help! Went to HPD today. I have Kaiser!

Registered a long gun with permit I got in July.

Applied for handgun permit and confirmed this entire fiasco!!!!

Spent the whole day calling around to find a Doctor willing to write the letter. No luck

How's about the Doctor that advertises in the HRA newsletter.

Disclaimer I don't know nor have I ever seen the above referenced physician. If he advertises in the HRA newsletter one would think he'd be 2a friendly.

Another option would be to pool our funds and send macsak back to school to be an MD.