something new to add to the fire.

friend of mine just went today.
now hpd is making everyone do fingerprints each time you get another gun.
and only 1 person in the firearms division at a time, with an officer outside the door guarding.
so each person takes 15-20 minutes, minimum.  if you got multi guns, be prepared to wait and wait!
making the process much, much longer to complete.

so it's getting worse for us 2A people.   

What is the need to get finger printed for every gun? We already paid for the background check and finger printing. If a person is registering multiple items at the time, let's say three items, there will be finger printing three times for each item? I believe HPD still uses the NICS system. Does that mean we pay a fee for each time we are printed? This is absurd

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i already put myself out there to fight for our right.  Not only on a fucking state level but a national one.

All at the same time while being fucking stabbed in the back by cowardly fucks that do nothing but bitch and whine and post news articles and meme's on this forum.

I have no idea how you "put yourself out there to fight for our right[sic]..." nor how you were "...stabbed in the back..." by those on this forum? Care to elaborate?

What is the need to get finger printed for every gun? We already paid for the background check and finger printing. If a person is registering multiple items at the time, let's say three items, there will be finger printing three times for each item? I believe HPD still uses the NICS system. Does that mean we pay a fee for each time we are printed? This is absurd

i think its for every time you go HPD, not for every gun.

i'll be there friday, so i'll see whats up.

I talked to HPD Firearms division.

I don't know how accurate it is but they said if you've never been red flagged the letter just needs to say you've never been treated for substance or alcohol abuse and have never been treated for a mental/psychiatric disorder.

Still a pain in the ass and out of pocket expenses though.

The verbatim letter is for if you were flagged or they can't write the above due to something in your past medical records.

Again, this is just info from one officer but someone should try it.

Bullshit.

As stated earlier I have never had any mental issues and have 0 family history.  The officer at the window specifically told me that I hadn't been red flagged then I was handed that letter that I posted.


I got some other info.  As this is an open forum I will post in the other forum.

Bullshit.

As stated earlier I have never had any mental issues and have 0 family history.  The officer at the window specifically told me that I hadn't been red flagged then I was handed that letter that I posted.


I got some other info.  As this is an open forum I will post in the other forum.

GZire,

Please PM me about your additional info...I'd like to pass it along, with your permission of course, to Mr. Holcomb.

My appointment is Friday 12/11 I'm all in on this. Come join the party. It's free and the more the better. My issue is not with Kaiser or Straub. My issue is with HPD and the verbiage.

I am going down on Friday to pick up a permit to acquire. I will bring my long gun permit down to renew it since it expires next month. I will get the forms and BS and I will call the lawyer and set something up with him.

While I was at HPD yesterday, there was a gentleman inquiring about the issue of change in required paperwork. The most interesting comment made by the officer ( wasn't a sgt) was that this new requirement was happening only here in Honolulu. Why only Honolulu? That's jam up.

Shame on us for criticizing how they deal with surplus pistols??
S'pose??
Part 134-2(c) does say that the procedure shall be uniform throughout the State, and drafted by the AG
Aloha

For the people that are concerned, if you applied prior to yesterday, the new changes do not affect you.

I was there yesterday (11/24) to renew my permit to acquire. Got asked the normal,  "do you have Kaiser insurance?" I don't and just filled out the usual 4 forms and was done. Same as the last 4 years.

While I was at HPD yesterday, there was a gentleman inquiring about the issue of change in required paperwork. The most interesting comment made by the officer ( wasn't a sgt) was that this new requirement was happening only here in Honolulu. Why only Honolulu? That's jam up.

Each County is responsible for their own registration process and forms.

what if you were a Syrian refugee...

what if you were a Syrian refugee...

There is no registration  needed in that case.

I spoke to Mr. Holcomb last night about this new requirement and about the potential Kaiser lawsuit. First, I need some clarification so I can pass it on to Mr. Holmcomb. Is this new requirement just for Kaiser and Straub patients (it sounds as if it is...)? And, is this new requirement for all new permits or only for those that have been previously "red flagged?"

If you go to an "outside" doctor for an evaluation after a denial by Kaiser, how does that physician meet the requirement of sending in a letter on Kaiser letterhead?

Your issue should be with Kaiser and HPD. Kaiser is the instigator of this problem. They are the ones that won't cooperate with providing you a letter, stating it isn't a covered benefit. They are the ones that instead of just not responding (which would allow the PTA process to proceed) send a letter saying they cannot make a decision on your ability to own a firearm. They are the ones that instead of making a synopsis of your medical records, send all of your medical records. They are the ones that will use any visit to any service remotely related to mental health to send HPD a disqualifying letter.

On the potential Kaiser lawsuit: So far only 3 individuals had called him (as of 1800 last night) and no one has followed up (with the exception of scorpio's schedule appointment...). We have a unique opportunity to pursue legal action on an egregious violation of "our" civil rights, a travesty that has been vociferously  argued and denounced here on this forum by those Kaiser members affected, yet the response to Mr. Holcomb's offer has been 3 inquiries and one scheduled appointment? Really? WTF?!

Just to clarify I have no issue with Kaiser or Straub. My issue is with HPD. My appointment is to see how we can change the unreasnable requirement that singles out a group of people only.  Wether you agree or not,  look what happened on top of Mauna Kea. They were singled out. Folks this is not the time to bicker amongst each other. Lets stay together, stir things up call your representatives, senators, the mayor, city council member Carol Fukunaga,   Gost Busters if you have to. The main thing is you do something..... Lets have some fun

I think they have to and should finger print you every trip and here's why. If it takes fifteen to twenty minutes per trip/per person X 6-8 guys in line = 2 plus hrs. I can see while waiting, how one can wear off fingerprints spanking their monkey for two to three hours. Never mind what happens to the monkey.  Do they print the monkey, I don't know.
I'm sure you could tell by my calculations that I'm a mathematical genius. Watching CSI on TV has qualified me to write a thesis on the rate of finger print wear while waiting in line at the HPD firearms section with or without spanking your monkey.  Gals and guys  All this   silliness aside,  If you are affected or will be affected or just want to have some basic rights join me on this ride, it's free. At least hear what the attorney says. Remember if you go to any doctor that is associated Kaiser or HPH the four hospitals that include Straub and all of their clinics, you are being singled out and discriminated against by HPD. Pure and simple.
 Again, I have nothing against Kaiser or Straub. They are helping you in the acquire process wether they reply with the entire medical record (which you sign a release for)  or,  not reply at all. No reply does not constitute denial. Criminal, mental and drug related issues can net you a denial.

if you bought a longgun you would already have your permit to acquire (for this year) and it would not affect you, yet...   handgun, You would have to leave it with the FFL until it is straight, and/or encourage the FFL's to get involved with this.  They stand to lose big money on this issue.

Do some of the local businesses allow that here? Allow a customer to purchase a gun and then leave it with them till your PTA is secured?
My husband has never had any kind of issues that would get him flagged and his insurance is different so I wouldn't expect any issues for him, but even with that he'd only be able to get it after Dec 13th.

... cause if so... I'm dragging him out on Friday to go shopping. lol

Do some of the local businesses allow that here? Allow a customer to purchase a gun and then leave it with them till your PTA is secured?
My husband has never had any kind of issues that would get him flagged and his insurance is different so I wouldn't expect any issues for him, but even with that he'd only be able to get it after Dec 13th.

... cause if so... I'm dragging him out on Friday to go shopping. lol

If you buy a gun and need to take the safety class, apply for the permit, then wait for the shop to reopen after the holidays, you could be waiting 2 months or more to actually take the pistol home.  That's exactly what happened to me.

If you have justification for asking them to hold onto it, the shops usually have no problem accommodating your needs.  I've been told by one gun shop owner, they held a pistol over 2 years once for a soldier who deployed.  He bought the gun, received orders, didn't have time for the paperwork and permit, and each time home could not wait the 2 weeks.  So it sat in storage with his name on it until he rotated back home.

i can't speak for all the stores, but the few I shop at would be happy to take your money and keep the gun for you as long as it takes to become legal!

If you buy a gun and need to take the safety class, apply for the permit, then wait for the shop to reopen after the holidays, you could be waiting 2 months or more to actually take the pistol home.  That's exactly what happened to me.

If you have justification for asking them to hold onto it, the shops usually have no problem accommodating your needs.  I've been told by one gun shop owner, they held a pistol over 2 years once for a soldier who deployed.  He bought the gun, received orders, didn't have time for the paperwork and permit, and each time home could not wait the 2 weeks.  So it sat in storage with his name on it until he rotated back home.

i can't speak for all the stores, but the few I shop at would be happy to take your money and keep the gun for you as long as it takes to become legal!

My husband has training but his paperwork to show proof is still tied with his old boat, which is on deployment right now. Instead of waiting for it to come back we figure him taking the safety class on the 13th would be quicker.

No harm heading out to look and asking if we find a good deal I guess. The worst they can do is tell us no.

Now I just have to find a way to psych myself up enough to go out in that craziness on Friday. I swear, Black Friday enthusiasts are like 28 Days Later zombies. Wish me luck. I may need armor. lol

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The police are trying to do their job. But don't think for one moment that they want nothing better than to be the only ones with the gun. They were very irritated when I started to respectfully question the implication of the letter and who was the author. Six officers came to the window. I turned on the recorder and at first they resisted talking to me. I spoke with the Sgt, who was very nice and just truing to do his job.  Not sure what you mean by the "source of the problem". The letter from your doctor has to use the  statement at the top.of the page. It is not a template or outline. That statement implies that you've had mental and drug dependency issues in the past. That statement doesn't apply to me. So far I have sent emails to the mayor, chief of police and my representatives.

I don't make assumptions as to what a police officer is thinking. Their opinion, attitude, reaction or level of perceived irritation has no special weight (to me) in the matter nor do I automatically jump to it being a conspiracy.

As this topic is concerned, the "source of the problem" that I am referring to is Kaiser, Straub, and the doctors in their network...it is a known issue and is clearly pointed out in the OP.  That paper is an outline for those who may need clarification of what is required for medical clearance due to the problem providers/doctors. I've heard it explained verbally over the years to people who were told "We can not process your permit..." All HPD has done is put it on paper for those with Kaiser or Straub. For everyone else it's just the standard 4 forms.

I'm not debating this issue...I have HMSA/Tricare. My doctors have always read the HPD-89 form to be asking "Is there anything that would disqualify". Since the answer is no, the form is shredded and no response is necessary.

I talked to HPD Firearms division.

I don't know how accurate it is but they said if you've never been red flagged the letter just needs to say you've never been treated for substance or alcohol abuse and have never been treated for a mental/psychiatric disorder.

Still a pain in the ass and out of pocket expenses though.

The verbatim letter is for if you were flagged or they can't write the above due to something in your past medical records.

Again, this is just info from one officer but someone should try it.

Anyone who has spent a lot of time sitting in the room has heard the exact words on the paper being said to someone with Kaiser.

Anyone who has spent a lot of time sitting in the room has heard the exact words on the paper being said to someone with Kaiser.

The problem with HPD Firearms is that they just make shit up as they go along.

One day you need the letter, next day you don't. Then 2 weeks from then, you will have to fill out 10 more forms and jump through 25 other different hoops.

There is no organization or consistency with their own policies, and it's obvious they have some ulterior motive with what they are doing.

The real question is what are we going to do about it?