I may be missing something, but it sounds to me like HPD has not been able to get what they want/need from Kaiser and Straub because of "policy", so they put the onus on us, the paying customer, to squeeze.
Now I don't agree with HPD on much with regard to firearms laws, but they did not make them, only have to follow them. If they are required by law to get this info from your medics and if the medics won't pony up what can they do?
Seems like the issue is with our providers, and only we can force that issue. Vote with our feet and find another provider or get them to change "policy" Alternatively change the law so the info is not required. Throw all the bums out and start fresh. (fat chance). My guess is that working with Kaiser/Straub is the answer, through negotiation, or litigation. We need more than 3 folks to call Wolfwood, and All Kaiser customers need to call customer service. Burn up the switch boards.

This will work itself out, but will take unity on our part, and sticking to the facts only, not outrage an innuendo.
There are too many people involved for it not to settle. Kaiser Medical represents almost half of the population, thus probably half of the firearm community.
What we have here is  a Kaiser issue, not an HPD thing. HPD is however taking the opportunity to thumb their noses at us. Nanny Nanny Boobers! which only stirs the pot. Got us all riled up and not moving rationally ahead laughing all the way.
Divide and conquer... Works every time.
Thoughts?
Gordy

Afterthought, Kaiser used to have a policy... if a form needed to be filled out , it cost $75. The cost of a normal industrial/DOT physical.

Gordyf,

I am glad that you are on this forum and engaged in the conversation. Your opinion is of value as everyone else's is. Since you asked, I have some thoughts that i would like to share with everyone and hopefully clarify some things for you. I have spent a great deal of time on this ever since I  was denied on Tuesday to even start the application process because I am a Kaiser member and handed  "the letter". I won't go into the implication of the verbiage HPD wants your doctor to use. If you read it several times you will be disturbed by what it implies.

1. Kaiser policy is what Kaiser says it is for a reason. They do not like to or have to release protected information (mental, drug dependency etc treatments). HPD can't force them to. Only the courts can compel them to.

2. The law is written so that HPD has something to follow. The law is not written so that Kaiser, Straub, Queen's or even Dr Gordyf to follow and comply with. If there's no response to HPD's request from the "medics" they can't deny on the" no response"  basis alone.

3. Kaiser represents 252,000 members. State of Hawaii as of 2014 has 1.42 million residents. Wow have things changed since 1973 when I came here as a young soldier. I am starting to date myself.

4. Believe it or not Kaiser is trying to protect you by not giving out protected information until they are compelled by the courts. I like that.

5.  There are many services that are not covered by insurance wether it's Kaiser, HMSA, HDS and the rest. Kind of like when airlines gave you a blanket and a pillow. Not anymore.  Although I wished they covered more, they just don't. As an example plastic surgery, lasik eye surgery, dental implants. I can go on and on. The list is long but the one that bothers me the most.  They won't cover my Viagra, Cialis and Lavitra.      I hope you understand that things are not always black and white, lots of gray areas and much misinformation. As long as we understand where these gray areas are, what's real and what's smoke and mirrors we can channel our energies in that direction.

Gordif,

 I know where the problem is. It's up to you to decide where you think the problem is. My only hope is that I have given all enough information to make an informed decision. If any one wants to know more, PM me.

I say again, they have divided and we are conquered.
We gotta get it together and fight them, not each other
Get a grip guys! 
Gordy

Gordyf,

Sounds to me like a bad date.  At the beach?  Really..... why don't those two guys get a hotel room.   

For Kaiser members only,  please check out your mental health benefits, since it's on the docket. It gives a pretty clear picture of what they will cover and do for you.

https://www.santarosa.edu/hr/PDFs/Kaiser%20Permanente%20Mental%20Health%20Care%20Benefits.pdf

I asked the Sargent if I have Kaiser how would you handle me bringing in my C&R gun to register? And he said he didn't know since no one has tried it yet.

I went this morning
Now if you are applying for a permit, long or handgun, you have to take a picture and a thumb print
Also, only 2-3 people in the room at a time, door is closed
Even if people in the room are just filling out paperwork, only 2-3 people in the room
You must wait till they complete that paperwork and leave that room before you can enter
Reasons for these changes, idk.
But one thing is for sure is it takes much longer this way.

I went this morning
Now if you are applying for a permit, long or handgun, you have to take a picture and a thumb print
Also, only 2-3 people in the room at a time, door is closed
Even if people in the room are just filling out paperwork, only 2-3 people in the room
You must wait till they complete that paperwork and leave that room before you can enter
Reasons for these changes, idk.
But one thing is for sure is it takes much longer this way.

Yup, looked pretty terrible, glad I was only picking up a permit.  Can't stand these fucking bureaucrats........

Picked up my last permit today. Very sad day if this means I can no longer purchase firearms.

On a slightly brighter note I spoke with the bald officer and he said his Major was scheduled to have a meeting with Kaiser and Straub to try and clear up this mess. He couldn't say when this was going to occur. But he said soon. That is all he would say about it.

Stopped by SEC after picking up my permit. Sad thing was they offered to enter me into the gun raffle and I had to decline because I cannot buy any more guns.   

Pictures, thumbprints, room door closed.......
Sounds like there was a change in the chain command of the firearms division.

Someone with a stick up their ass.

I don't blame the bruddahs at the window though.
You know they're not making this crap up.

Maybe Knudsen missed the last HK board meeting because he got on the police commission.

My doctor is VA, no way in hell will they send a letter.
Thankfully I lost all my guns in a boating accident
and don't need anymore.  But I like reading about
you guys trying to obey UN-constitutional laws.

Gordyf,

I am glad that you are on this forum and engaged in the conversation. Your opinion is of value as everyone else's is. Since you asked, I have some thoughts that i would like to share with everyone and hopefully clarify some things for you. I have spent a great deal of time on this ever since I  was denied on Tuesday to even start the application process because I am a Kaiser member and handed  "the letter". I won't go into the implication of the verbiage HPD wants your doctor to use. If you read it several times you will be disturbed by what it implies.

1. Kaiser policy is what Kaiser says it is for a reason. They do not like to or have to release protected information (mental, drug dependency etc treatments). HPD can't force them to. Only the courts can compel them to.

2. The law is written so that HPD has something to follow. The law is not written so that Kaiser, Straub, Queen's or even Dr Gordyf to follow and comply with. If there's no response to HPD's request from the "medics" they can't deny on the" no response"  basis alone.

3. Kaiser represents 252,000 members. State of Hawaii as of 2014 has 1.42 million residents. Wow have things changed since 1973 when I came here as a young soldier. I am starting to date myself.

4. Believe it or not Kaiser is trying to protect you by not giving out protected information until they are compelled by the courts. I like that.

5.  There are many services that are not covered by insurance wether it's Kaiser, HMSA, HDS and the rest. Kind of like when airlines gave you a blanket and a pillow. Not anymore.  Although I wished they covered more, they just don't. As an example plastic surgery, lasik eye surgery, dental implants. I can go on and on. The list is long but the one that bothers me the most.  They won't cover my Viagra, Cialis and Lavitra.      I hope you understand that things are not always black and white, lots of gray areas and much misinformation. As long as we understand where these gray areas are, what's real and what's smoke and mirrors we can channel our energies in that direction.

Gordif,

 I know where the problem is. It's up to you to decide where you think the problem is. My only hope is that I have given all enough information to make an informed decision. If any one wants to know more, PM me.

scorpio:
You and I are on the same page even if it sounds different.
1) I agree that Kaiser or anyone should not have to cough up a customer's medical records. It is flat not their place especially with all the Federal privacy laws. HPD and the State are in violation even asking.
2) I agree that a "no response" should be a a GO for issuance. That they don't answer should not preclude the issuance of my permit
3) For what it is worth, if you were a young soldier here in '73, then we are contemporaries and probably need to get together for a beer.
4) I agree that Kaiser is trying to protect us, and see above remain within the bounds of privacy acts they are bound by
5) I have been with Kaiser most of my adult life and am familiar with what they cover. Filling out a form for the guv'mt is not one of them unless you pony up. my example a CG or DOT license physical.

All that said, how do we unf**k the situation at hand in the short term so that we may get back to our business of acquiring and collecting guns?
Inspector said that the ballahead guy behind the window claims that his superior is meeting with the providers. That is a start. He is a great guy by the way. Has helped me a lot!
That means the flap has reached an actionable level. It is an inconvenience for HPD and bringing attention down on their process. Might make somebody look silly. Can't have that.

I am out of the firearm purchasing  business until this all blows over, so I am on board to do whatever helps.
Where are HRA and the NRA when we need them? What is their take? Oh you don't belong? Get a grip and join!
If you don't belong to a n advocacy group, now is the time to get involved and it is time for the advocacy groups to speak up.
Numbers!!! it is all about numbers. There are too many of us affected by this.
One post postulated that there may be a new guy in charge? That makes sense, we just need to get him trained up, like all new officers.
We can do this! but we have to do it together.
Aloha
Gordy

I went this morning
Now if you are applying for a permit, long or handgun, you have to take a picture and a thumb print
Also, only 2-3 people in the room at a time, door is closed
Even if people in the room are just filling out paperwork, only 2-3 people in the room
You must wait till they complete that paperwork and leave that room before you can enter
Reasons for these changes, idk.
But one thing is for sure is it takes much longer this way.

So do you open the door to verify 2-3 people then close the door and wait for one guy to leave or is there another procedure?   Also do you have to take a photo and fingerprint even though you already had previous permits?   If they take these in the main room before the firearms section, yeah this would take longer just to apply for a permit.   Efficiency is the enemy of bureaucracy.   Sheesh.

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If I am "reading" this correctly 😂

And about joining an organization... I wouldn't recommend anyone join the nra.  I made the mistake once and now they won't stop calling me spewing political garbage read straight from a paper in monotone.

The NRA is one organization I recommend.  There are others, but why not support the biggest, longest lived, and most successful gun rights organization in the country?

As discussed in other threads, if you are being slammed with solicitations, there are contact methods to ask your name/address/number be removed from their call and mailing lists.

To not join over something that's just an annoyance is not logical when you consider the important job they do for all gun owners. 

In addition to lobbying Congress and supporting pro-2A candidates, the NRA has done more for safety and training than any other civilian organization in the world.   

The NRA is obviously doing a great job, or Obama and the rest of the Liberal anti-gun crowd wouldn't complain about them so often or so loudly!!

Who WOULDN'T want to be associated with a national group like this?

The NRA is one organization I recommend.  There are others, but why not support the biggest, longest lived, and most successful gun rights organization in the country?

As discussed in other threads, if you are being slammed with solicitations, there are contact methods to ask your name/address/number be removed from their call and mailing lists.

To not join over something that's just an annoyance is not logical when you consider the important job they do for all gun owners. 

In addition to lobbying Congress and supporting pro-2A candidates, the NRA has done more for safety and training than any other civilian organization in the world.   

The NRA is obviously doing a great job, or Obama and the rest of the Liberal anti-gun crowd wouldn't complain about them so often or so loudly!!

Who WOULDN'T want to be associated with a national group like this?

I like the NRA. However, does anyone know the status of Grover Norquist and the NRA? Last I checked, he voluntarily suspended himself from the board pending an investigation about his ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. I told the NRA that I would cancel my membership with them if he was allowed to remain a board member.

I like the NRA. However, does anyone know the status of Grover Norquist and the NRA? Last I checked, he voluntarily suspended himself from the board pending an investigation about his ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. I told the NRA that I would cancel my membership with them if he was allowed to remain a board member.

The last thing I saw, the NRA was still investigation (from February/March 2015).  There was a "recall" effort started in Aug to remove Norquist from the board.  I haven't heard anything more on that, nor the investigation. 

In the meantime, Norquist voluntarily suspended his participation on the Board of Directors until the investigation could be completed.

He married a Pakistani, and since then, there have been a couple of people accusing him of having ties to The Muslim Brotherhood.

The last thing I saw, the NRA was still investigation (from February/March 2015).  There was a "recall" effort started in Aug to remove Norquist from the board.  I haven't heard anything more on that, nor the investigation. 

In the meantime, Norquist voluntarily suspended his participation on the Board of Directors until the investigation could be completed.

He married a Pakistani, and since then, there have been a couple of people accusing him of having ties to The Muslim Brotherhood.

I still trust this dude more than the dude occupying the big white colored residence.   Lol

Today Saturday, I spoke with several people at the range that were in line at HPD to get a permit to acquire or renew a long gun permit. The officer went down the line and asked people with Kaiser and Straub to step out of the line. They were handed "the letter" told that they would have leave and come back after they have their doctor comply with the wording. Everyone else can stay and continue. If this has happened to anyone else, please pm me. 

Please contact your representatives and tell them what you think about this "new requirement" in a constructive way. I'm not talking about a thumb print or another picture. Nothing wrong with that as you  have your picture taken when you renew your license. If you think that what's going is preventing  you the law abiding citizen from purchasing a firearm, say so. If you think that you are being singled out because of your medical plan only, say so. You don't have to write a novel. Don't be a bystander. We all know what happens to bystanders.

State Representatives   http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/members/legislators.aspx?chamber=H

City Council member   Calor Fukunaga is the council's HPD Liaison very important that she hears from us.  cafukunaga@honolulu.gov