If I remember from a previous discussion, wasn't one ACLU case where a felon ineligible to own guns was protected against truthfully answering the ATF Form 4473 questionnaire because it amounted to self incrimination? 

He was legally protected against telling the truth when buying a gun because the answers would have prevented him from doing so.        

I wouldn't put too much stock in the ACLU helping in this case unless they focus on the HIPPA privacy violations with Kaiser sending the entire medical record to HPD.

do a search, there was an instance in the last few years where the ACLU helped with a case on the 2a side
i cannot remember the details, but i believe HDF or HRA was involved

I know this isn't the section for this stuff, but more people will see it.  Starting today at HPD if you are going to do the paper work to get a permit to aquire (Rifle or Handgun), Kaiser and Straub Hospital changed their procedure. You now have to go and see your personal Doctor have them submit a letter with the Hospital letterhead, saying your not nuts on drugs etc... They then can fax a copy, but still have to mail in the original or if your Doctor will let you, you can take it in when you go to pick up your permit. If the don't let you take the original or a copy in, and they don't fax or mail it in by the last pickup date for your permit, you will have to do the whole 2 week back ground check again.   
Have fun !!

Scar16, your letter is good for 1 year from when the doctor wrote it
and you can buy as much guns within that year, then you have to get another letter
and now all kaiser and straub members have to get a letter.
and now the process at HPD firearms division takes longer due to taking thumb print and picture, and only allowing 1-2 people in the room at a time.  just slows down the line.
i'm in the same boat as you, sort of, i got red flagged back in january.

Scar16, your letter is good for 1 year from when the doctor wrote it
and you can buy as much guns within that year, then you have to get another letter
and now all kaiser and straub members have to get a letter.
and now the process at HPD firearms division takes longer due to taking thumb print and picture, and only allowing 1-2 people in the room at a time.  just slows down the line.
i'm in the same boat as you, sort of, i got red flagged back in january.

has anyone found out their justification for the photo and fingerprint every time?
that's BS

Need help! Went to HPD today. I have Kaiser!

Registered a long gun with permit I got in July.

Applied for handgun permit and confirmed this entire fiasco!!!!

Spent the whole day calling around to find a Doctor willing to write the letter. No luck

oh, man, guys
it's on
EVERYONE with kaiser and straub call wolfwood ASAP

I haven't had a primary care physician for a few years. I've always put "N/A" for my Doctor and never had a problem obtaining pistol or renewing long gun permits. Has this changed as well?

Richard Holcomb is NOT Wolfwood.

Just to clarify I have no issue with Kaiser or Straub. My issue is with HPD. My appointment is to see how we can change the unreasnable requirement that singles out a group of people only.  Wether you agree or not,  look what happened on top of Mauna Kea. They were singled out. Folks this is not the time to bicker amongst each other. Lets stay together, stir things up call your representatives, senators, the mayor, city council member Carol Fukunaga,   Gost Busters if you have to. The main thing is you do something..... Lets have some fun

Have the doctor write it as "has never been affected..."

If they deny it, ask to speak directly to Firearms section administration (the ladies).

If Admin gives you problems, ask to speak directly to the supervising lieutenant.

If lieutenant gives you problems, contact Mr. Holcomb.


There is no reason to falsely proclaim yourself to have received treatment when you never did.

I hate to "correct" your posting, but may I suggest that you contact Mr. Holcomb REGARDLESS of what else you do? If you are a Kaiser member and have been singled out to complete additional paperwork or see another doctor, there is still a problem regardless if you end up getting your PTA or not. Jumping through additional hoops because HPD suddenly decides they can require more stuff than the law allows IS A REAL PROBLEM that needs to addressed.

So, if you are a Kaiser patient and have been singled out to provide additional documents in order to get your PTA, CALL MR. HOLCOMB, regardless if you got your permit or not.