That letter is useless. It still implicates you. Here's the response I received from HPD. Take a look at it. Things are changing keep up the pressure.

Aloha,

We only require that Kaiser inform the HPD investigators in writing or fax if you have or have not been diagnosed and/or treated or counseled for any one or more of the following:

Drug or Alcohol Addiction/Abuse/Dependence

Behavioral/Emotional/Mental Disorders

Organic Brain Syndrome

Kaiser has chosen to release Kaiser clients entire medical file to the HPD investigators.   HPD investigators are not medically trained to determine any or the above listed disorders.

You can seek any license doctor to submit a letter on your behalf.

HPD Firearms Unit

Read it and understand what it is saying, then read it again.  Nothing about  the reason for the letter (gun purchase). We are getting closer. Send those emails out to your representatives. Show me how tough you really are. Who do you want to be David or Goliath. Just cause the old guys have lost their hair, It doesn't mean you've lost your strength. It's all about leverage.  Get that salvo directed and fire for affect....

I do not believe that HPD is the problem. Previous post have mentioned Kaiser sending applicant's medical records to HPD for review. From my conversation with HPD it sounds like now Straub is asking HPD to send officers to their facility to review applicant's records and determine if the applicant should or should not be approved for their permit to acquire because of mental health. HPD's reasonable response is they are not doctors and they cannot make that determination. I believe Kaiser and Straub are the problem and not HPD. I may be wrong, but that is my opinion.
 
I was told the same thing as Inspector's quote, that HPD will meet with Kaiser and Straub to try to come to an agreement and return things back to "normal". I sincerely believe HPD is trying to work this out so that law abiding citizens can continue to purchase firearms within the current (although ridiculous ) system.

The bald officer is Mick

Granted most facilities will send medical records to a requester (assuming all legal documents have been signed), but it is not that uncommon to have folks come into inspect records. Especially of they are patients requesting to review their own records for the purposes of accuracy or to dispute certain inclusions. In my capacity at the law firm I used to work at, I would sometimes go to the facility to review records.

As for the number of folks that can see your medical records, well, anyone involved in your care has access to those records. I know, I worked in healthcare for over 30 years, been an "expert" for EMTALA/HIPPA, and used to work at a law firm doing med malpractice cases.

That being said, Kaiser (or Straub) suggesting that HPD make a determination of your fitness to own a firearm after reviewing your medical records is laughable on its face. First, those officers cannot even begin to understand the medical terminology let alone weigh all the subtle facts to make an accurate decision. Add to that the civil liability (HPD isn't provided immunity like a healthcare provider), and you can easily understand why HPD doesn't, and won't, make those determinations.

I must respectfully disagree guys.  At this time, and I didn't go back and scan the entire thread, I've yet to hear about issues from KPD, MPD, or the Big Island PD.  Why is this only an issue in Oahu?  To me unless no one on the outer islands has either a Straub or Kaiser PCP/Doctor, then this means it's exclusive to Oahu..........meaning HPD and their higher ups.

Also I strongly recommend you members check out the related thread in the membership section.  While not as long and doesn't have as much information it does have some interesting information.

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I met with Mr. HOLCOMB. Brought all my required paperwork receipts, affidavit, even the HPD issued permits from AUG of 2014, one for a ruler Takedown 10/22 and my block 42. bought and registered the same day from OGC. Also my long gun permit which was valid until !11-28-15. We discussed the matter. and he made copies of all my paperwork. I am willing to take legal action, my only problem is whether I'm staying in Hawaii. I'm pretty much fed up with Hawaii bullshit. So i don't know if I'm staying, I am weighting all options.

After appointment went to Kaiser waipio to get my promised records. The lady who helped me the first time was not there, Another receptionist/cashier helped me, and "surprise" she said she could not find my request  for my records,, which I made in person at Kaiser waipio.

This! lady helped me and had me call there records dept, I spoke with Anita who said she spoke with her supervisor. She said I could come down to records at dole canary, to pick up my records. she also said she will give me the letter they send to HPD which states That I have no mental/drug history. Anita sounds as if she is doing her job correctly with no bias.

I called MR. HOLCOMB. To invite him to attend and witness the process, as I shall make an attempt to acquire my pistol. He has to be in court at 1PM. So I shall go to records early and get the documents and try get registered. As of now I am to call MR. HOLCOMB to see if I can get all this done  with him there and enough time for him to make it to court. If successful will post the relevant info of how. Im not holding out much hope.

Correction:

MR. HOLCOMB is located at 1136  not 1138.
Look for the century building then next is finance factors then his bldg.Union Plazza. Theres a ninja sushi street side. Underground parking availlable

That letter will work. It meets the requirement. Now, the only thing I worry about is did you fall through the crack, did it not go out, did it ever get to HPD and did it get lost there. Was that Kaiser clinic/person authorized  to give that response. You don't want them getting in trouble. Keep it low key.  Other than that you're on the right track. The above statement would be much more palatable to a large organization like Kaiser,  Straub and the HPD as it makes no reference to a "Gun, Ammunition or Clearance ". These questions are no different than what some perspective employers (sensitive jobs, police) might ask of your medical provider, providing that you authorize them.  I am telling you we are getting closer. Keep up the heat.

"Aloha,

We only require that Kaiser inform the HPD investigators in writing or fax if you have or have not been diagnosed and/or treated or counseled for any one or more of the following:

Drug or Alcohol Addiction/Abuse/Dependence

Behavioral/Emotional/Mental Disorders

Organic Brain Syndrome

Kaiser has chosen to release Kaiser clients entire medical file to the HPD investigators.   HPD investigators are not medically trained to determine any or the above listed disorders.

The above is happening because that it is what the release asks for that HPD hands you if you are a Straub or Kaiser member. If they were to send a specific (like above) request, perhaps the outcome would be different. 

Got my "permit to acquire" (long gun)today and I'm a Kaiser member.  Did not have to get a letter signed or anything, but while in line I heard police officer instructing someone they have to get that same letter that was circulating signed by a doctor.  Police officers explained that they are trying something "new," he also said that "they are just sending over patients records".... Hope that helps a bit

Got my "permit to acquire" (long gun)today and I'm a Kaiser member.  Did not have to get a letter signed or anything, but while in line I heard police officer instructing someone they have to get that same letter that was circulating signed by a doctor.  Police officers explained that they are trying something "new," he also said that "they are just sending over patients records".... Hope that helps a bit

You applied before the 23rd right?  I picked up my handgun permit yesterday and went back this morning to register it. Didn't have to fingerprint or take picture, just normal registration. My long gun expires next month though...

Steve808 can you please be more specific. What date did you apply for your long gun permit. Sounds to me like you were in before the TaLI letter came out.

I called Mr Holcomb last Friday around 1pm or so. He was off work and doing family things. I apologized and he said he would call me Monday morning. Which was yesterday. I have not heard from him as of right now.

Steve808 can you please be more specific. What date did you apply for your long gun permit. Sounds to me like you were in before the TaLI letter came out.

You mean, the OBL?

Osama Bin Letter

 

I called Mr Holcomb last Friday around 1pm or so. He was off work and doing family things. I apologized and he said he would call me Monday morning. Which was yesterday. I have not heard from him as of right now.

Tried calling him today for a separate issue; he is a very, very busy man.

I must respectfully disagree guys.  At this time, and I didn't go back and scan the entire thread, I've yet to hear about issues from KPD, MPD, or the Big Island PD.  Why is this only an issue in Oahu?  To me unless no one on the outer islands has either a Straub or Kaiser PCP/Doctor, then this means it's exclusive to Oahu..........meaning HPD and their higher ups.

That is a good point.

Alright, here's the revised letter that I will take to HPD tomorrow:  "I am writing to inform you that I saw *blank* for an evaluation session today. Mr. *blank* related to me that he has never had any mental health treatment at Kaiser's behavioral clinic or in the community. If Mr. *blank* had a mental health condition in the past, at present Mr. *blank* does not suffer from any mental health condition that would impact his ability to operate a firearm. Mr. *blank* shall, own, possess or control any firearm or ammunition and has been medically documented to be not affected by any addiction, abuse, dependence, mental disease, disorder, or defect. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or concerns."

I was at HPD on Friday registering a new gun, and one of those officers told me it that I could alter the language about being "no longer adversely affected..." If this doesn't pan out, then I'm calling Mr. Holcomb. This is pure bullshit.

Alright, here's the revised letter that I will take to HPD tomorrow:  "I am writing to inform you that I saw *blank* for an evaluation session today. Mr. *blank* related to me that he has never had any mental health treatment at Kaiser's behavioral clinic or in the community. If Mr. *blank* had a mental health condition in the past, at present Mr. *blank* does not suffer from any mental health condition that would impact his ability to operate a firearm. Mr. *blank* shall, own, possess or control any firearm or ammunition and has been medically documented to be not affected by any addiction, abuse, dependence, mental disease, disorder, or defect. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or concerns."

I was at HPD on Friday registering a new gun, and one of those officers told me it that I could alter the language about being "no longer adversely affected..." If this doesn't pan out, then I'm calling Mr. Holcomb. This is pure bullshit.

Please contact anyway.  It is not right you have to go out of way and out of pocket because Kaiser feels like they don't want to answer and simple question (or not respond at all), when others need not.  Law is supposed to be consistent for all citizens... Otherwise what's the point?

Tried calling him today for a separate issue

always go with "she said she was 18"

always go with "she said she was 18"

More like,

"We will ignore the federal law, but use the exact same federal law we are ignoring to enforce our anti-2a agenda"

More like,

"We will ignore the federal law, but use the exact same federal law we are ignoring to enforce our anti-2a agenda"

go get 'um, Q!
 

holcomb's going to be getting lots of calls (hopefully)

I received a call and voicemail from Mr. Holcomb last night around 6:30pm. Unfortunately, I missed his call. I'll call him back today.

does the letter then make the doctor the person who hpd sends request to from now on, or does that mean you need to get a letter with every permit you apply for?