does the letter then make the doctor the person who hpd sends request to from now on, or does that mean you need to get a letter with every permit you apply for?

for me, since i am red flagged, the letter is good for a year so i can buy as much guns in 1 year for that letter
then i need a new one

not sure how long it lasts if you are not red flagged.

Went to HPD with med records in hand picked them up at there facility in dole cannery. Went to register and HPD ddid not accept the letter saying that i have no mental history on file. I told the officer to call the Kaiser records facility and speak to the lady who helped me. the officer did and came back and handed me the example letter with what they wanted. I then informed him again that Kaiser Dr. won't do it. I then told him that no outside DR. is willing to review or take me as a patient. So i said to officer i saidI didn't have any insurance. He stated that they would process my paperwork. The guy in font of me said that he lied and told them he had no insurance. Went to a gun store and asked a "worker" there. He said he had Kaiser but tells them he no insurance, and gets processed. No problem. So upon leaving I stated "tits on a bull" The officer did not get it. still looking for a DR.  or should I say "No insurance"

Went to HPD with med records in hand picked them up at there facility in dole cannery. Went to register and HPD ddid not accept the letter saying that i have no mental history on file. I told the officer to call the Kaiser records facility and speak to the lady who helped me. the officer did and came back and handed me the example letter with what they wanted. I then informed him again that Kaiser Dr. won't do it. I then told him that no outside DR. is willing to review or take me as a patient. So i said to officer i saidI didn't have any insurance. He stated that they would process my paperwork. The guy in font of me said that he lied and told them he had no insurance. Went to a gun store and asked a "worker" there. He said he had Kaiser but tells them he no insurance, and gets processed. No problem. So upon leaving I stated "tits on a bull" The officer did not get it. still looking for a DR.  or should I say "No insurance"

So, what this is saying is, it's not about screening permit applicants for risks.  If it were, they would not accept "No insurance" as a loophole.   They would say, "No letter, no permit!"

Hypothetically, if a person (let's call him The Joker) wants a gun, he only has to mention he has no health insurance, and he can cover up his history of mental defects and diagnosis of severely violent tendencies?

I was under the impression Obamacare was going to cover everyone who is uninsured, so this "excuse" for not getting a clearance letter should not be acceptable.

This is getting more and more ridiculous.  We are observing what happens when government is more concerned with policy than individual rights and reasonable, "common sense" restrictions.

Went to HPD with med records in hand picked them up at there facility in dole cannery. Went to register and HPD ddid not accept the letter saying that i have no mental history on file. I told the officer to call the Kaiser records facility and speak to the lady who helped me. the officer did and came back and handed me the example letter with what they wanted. I then informed him again that Kaiser Dr. won't do it. I then told him that no outside DR. is willing to review or take me as a patient. So i said to officer i saidI didn't have any insurance. He stated that they would process my paperwork. The guy in font of me said that he lied and told them he had no insurance. Went to a gun store and asked a "worker" there. He said he had Kaiser but tells them he no insurance, and gets processed. No problem. So upon leaving I stated "tits on a bull" The officer did not get it. still looking for a DR.  or should I say "No insurance"

So essentially, this has nothing to do with 'legitimizing' or 'improving' the background check; just another unnecessary loop hole they are putting in place.

Being that HPD monitors this forum, I wouldn't break the law if you happen to obtain insurance in the future. If you don't have insurance, put no insurance. If you have insurance but dr's won't see you, I'd seek more stringent legal counsel.

What that guy in front of you and what the 'worker' at the gvn shop told you is not only highly irresponsible, but also illegal, and actually puts all of us at risk in the future, should HPD get wind of this and seek to 'correct it'. It's because of stupid shit like what they are doing that we have these new stupid rules in place, along with all the other stupid rules that were already in place. Well...that and the anti-2a idiots that run our system are a bunch of ass hats.

Here's what I'm reading into this:

1.  Have non-Kaiser or non-Straub insurance?  Background check done by HPD.  Permit issued if no problems.

2.  Have Kaiser or Straub?  Must PAY FOR ANOTHER DOCTOR to give you a clearance letter.  No letter = no permit.

3.  Don't have insurance at all?  Pass go and collect $200!  Background check for mental health is skipped, and permit issued (no possibility of problems when no check is done).

Why do they force someone WITH an HMO to go outside the HMO for a letter, but someone with  NO insurance is not?  Is that because HPD assumes no insurance = no mental health history b/c no doctor?

If that's not a loophole, I don't know what is!

Here's what I'm reading into this:

1.  Have non-Kaiser or non-Straub insurance?  Background check done by HPD.  Permit issued if no problems.

2.  Have Kaiser or Straub?  Must PAY FOR ANOTHER DOCTOR to give you a clearance letter.  No letter = no permit.

3.  Don't have insurance at all?  Pass go and collect $200!  Background check for mental health is skipped, and permit issued (no possibility of problems when no check is done).

Why do they force someone WITH an HMO to go outside the HMO for a letter, but someone with  NO insurance is not?  Is that because HPD assumes no insurance = no mental health history b/c no doctor?

If that's not a loophole, I don't know what is!

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YEEAAAAP , A Dr is NOT required by HRS.
It only allows access to any records they find or your voluntary submission of none public records.

I would sign on with MR. Holcomb,but I just feel like leaving the state, Im that fed up. But, I don't  want to be the guy that backed out on him. I'm willing to have him file in my name, unfortunately, he would need me to be present. I Take pride on being dependable, but I might just move to vegas and so I cannot give consent as of yet. If and when I do. I will post here.

I am keeping MR. Holcomb informed of what is happening in my situation, as too further the cause for all.

Coincidentally, I was standing next to a guy, who just so happened to be calling the khon2 tip line.  Maybe some other brave souls can make an anonymous call.

The Affordable Health Care Act also does not require a Doctor. It is a Tax, and so regulated by the IRS.
Any health insurance not meeting the "minimum essential coverage" is not in compliance with the law,  Even if  your current Insurance  (non Marketplace) meets or exceeds all coverage  requirements.

There are ways which allows exemption of all tax requirements that would meet the minimum essential coverage. Thus , a person is not required to purchase a Health Insurance Plan.

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YEEAAAAP , A Dr is NOT required by HRS.
It only allows access to any records they find or your voluntary submission of none public records.

The yellow form is a release of info relating to mental care and substance abuse, filed through a particular department that has access to records in the state system.

Did I miss something, or is this confirmed to be  just on Oahu.
 

I got this at HPD today.

Sorry, maybe someone can open and post. They had a bunch of copies by the sink. The officer said the Straub letter's wording would be acceptable.

In case anyone wants to address the issue highlighted directly with HPD or Councilmember Fukunaga's Office, and the Mayor's Rep directly.

In case anyone wants to address the issue highlighted directly with HPD or Councilmember Fukunaga's Office, and the Mayor's Rep directly.

mahalo K9
 

Obama Care exemptions all 19 of them.
File form 8965

I called Kaiser customer care today.  They verified that they have no one that can sign waiver letter.  She was not able to tell me when this new policy started.

So I took in the letter to renew my long gun permit and so far it looks like they accepted it. I'll go back in two weeks to see if my new permit is ready. Mr. Holcomb told me I should just wait until I'm either approved or denied my new permit. I'll call him on the 16th (permit p/u day) and see where we go from there.

In either case, I will probably join any litigation because I had to pay $150 out of pocket to get this letter written, which is an infringement, in my opinion.

So I took in the letter to renew my long gun permit and so far it looks like they accepted it. I'll go back in two weeks to see if my new permit is ready. Mr. Holcomb told me I should just wait until I'm either approved or denied my new permit. I'll call him on the 16th (permit p/u day) and see where we go from there.

In either case, I will probably join any litigation because I had to pay $150 out of pocket to get this letter written, which is an infringement, in my opinion.

If HPD is requiring you to pay out-of-pocket for a letter they know your insurance-paid provider will not do for you, but letting anyone without insurance be approved without such a letter, at the very least that's unequal application of the law.

Yeah, if I were you, I'd plan on litigation no matter the permit decision.

Did I miss something, or is this confirmed to be  just on Oahu.
 

As far as I can tell this is HPD only.  I cannot recall of anyone on Kauai, Maui/Molokai/Lanai, or the Big Island chiming in.

As I have stated before if this is true then saying that Kaiser and Straub are requiring this is a total and complete fabrication by the HPD higher ups.................as I am quite sure that someone in one of the other counties would have Kaiser or Straub.

You calling me a liar? Nice. I never said anything about lying on a form. Get your facts straight.

Maybe I misunderstood?

I haven't had a primary care physician for a few years. I've always put "N/A" for my Doctor and never had a problem obtaining pistol or renewing long gun permits. Has this changed as well?

I read it to mean that you had a primary care doc, but haven't for "a few years" but that even when you did have you put N/A on the HPD forms....