oops! forgot about that dreamer.

If we can find out who implemented the new policy, well know who is viewing for the title of #1

Just requested kgmb do a story on the matter. Doubt they'll report it, with star wars and all. Every local channel showed a reporter talking to R2D2. No C3PO, probably because he's a gun owner? Hmmmm?

Line I said in a previous post: all my connections in various parts of the department are refusing to say anything.

Trying to get another hard copy of my kaiser medical records. Receptionist says they are no longer allowing members to pick up in person. SO I have to go to kaiser fill out the information release form , state reason for release of MY records. wait however long it will take for them to do it. Then have them either mail  or email the records. I chose post office as Im not going to buy another printer just for this.

Apparently they had too much gun owners waking in and requesting there records. One more hurdle in our way.

Trying to get another hard copy of my kaiser medical records. Receptionist says they are no longer allowing members to pick up in person. SO I have to go to kaiser fill out the information release form , state reason for release of MY records. wait however long it will take for them to do it. Then have them either mail  or email the records. I chose post office as Im not going to buy another printer just for this.

Apparently they had too much gun owners waking in and requesting there records. One more hurdle in our way.

If going to Dr. Greenly, must be hard copy of medical records.

I would have them send you a hard copy; you don't want these records traveling on the net.

Has anyone tried to do a C&R registration since this foolishness started?
I have been looking for a 32-20 Colt revolver and a five screw Smith K-22.
Both C&R and both from the mainland.
Have held off  'cause the humbug, but I have a current PTA, current C&R.
Registration only???
Thoughts??
Aloha

HRS 134-3(b)  does not require a permit to register firearms.


You go to Montana to visit Grandpa, He gives you several of his old  firearms.
You fly them back to Hawaii,
You are not required to obtain a permit to acquire.
Thus no permit is required to register firearms.

Has anyone tried to do a C&R registration since this foolishness started?
I have been looking for a 32-20 Colt revolver and a five screw Smith K-22.
Both C&R and both from the mainland.
Have held off  'cause the humbug, but I have a current PTA, current C&R.
Registration only???
Thoughts??
Aloha

When I bought a C&R, all I had to show was my Class 03 license, ID, proof it qualified for C&R status and my current Long Gun Permit.  It was a revolver, but they didn't ask for the training affidavit. 

Don't forget to log it into your personal C&R FFL Firearms Transfer Log.

It's just a registration process.  Takes longer since they need to check all your paperwork, but if you go prepared, it's a breeze.

When I bought a C&R, all I had to show was my Class 03 license, ID, proof it qualified for C&R status and my current Long Gun Permit.  It was a revolver, but they didn't ask for the training affidavit. 

Don't forget to log it into your personal C&R FFL Firearms Transfer Log.

It's just a registration process.  Takes longer since they need to check all your paperwork, but if you go prepared, it's a breeze.

Thanks Mauidog.
Was this recently, since the permit issue came up?
I am not a newbie to the C&R process.
Have done several and as you say, if your ducks are in a row it is easy.
Thanx
Gordy

Thanks Mauidog.
Was this recently, since the permit issue came up?
I am not a newbie to the C&R process.
Have done several and as you say, if your ducks are in a row it is easy.
Thanx
Gordy

Unless you need to renew your Long Gun Permit to Acquire, it's still valid without having to do the psych letter.

It seems that someone at HPD was getting tired of looking through the medical records for any mental issues. That person probably complained because he/she complained that their job was overwhelming and hard. Oh boo hoo. Just do your job.

Just got word from an inside source: it's someone specifically in the firearms department causing this headache and not from the upper echelons.

When I bought a C&R, all I had to show was my Class 03 license, ID, proof it qualified for C&R status and my current Long Gun Permit.  It was a revolver, but they didn't ask for the training affidavit. 

Don't forget to log it into your personal C&R FFL Firearms Transfer Log.

It's just a registration process.  Takes longer since they need to check all your paperwork, but if you go prepared, it's a breeze.

Last C&R I registered they asked me to fill out the paperwork and sent it in to Kaiser. This was before all this started. But what was surprising is that they had never done that before. All they have ever done prior to this is just ask for my permits and copies of all my specific paperwork which I always come with. And never asked me to fill out nor sent in Kaiser/Medical forms. There are a few C&R guns I want to buy and I am afraid if I bring them in to register they will confiscate them. I asked the bald officer about what would happen if I have Kaiser and I bring in a C&R gun he said he didn't know because no one had done that yet.

What I have done is contact Mr. Holcomb and we discussed this. So what I intend to do when my finances are better is I will buy another C&R and take it in to register it. But I need to be prepared for the consequences. After whatever happens I will contact Mr. Holcomb and join the lawsuit.

Last C&R I registered they asked me to fill out the paperwork and sent it in to Kaiser. This was before all this started. But what was surprising is that they had never done that before. All they have ever done prior to this is just ask for my permits and copies of all my specific paperwork which I always come with. And never asked me to fill out nor sent in Kaiser/Medical forms. There are a few C&R guns I want to buy and I am afraid if I bring them in to register they will confiscate them. I asked the bald officer about what would happen if I have Kaiser and I bring in a C&R gun he said he didn't know because no one had done that yet.

What I have done is contact Mr. Holcomb and we discussed this. So what I intend to do when my finances are better is I will buy another C&R and take it in to register it. But I need to be prepared for the consequences. After whatever happens I will contact Mr. Holcomb and join the lawsuit.

How can they 'not know' what to do? They are supposed to know their own policies with regards to everything.

How can they 'not know' what to do? They are supposed to know their own policies with regards to everything.

I know what you are asking. But obviously I don't know the answer to that. I have to experiment to find out. I hate being the guinea pig but so be it.

I know what you are asking. But obviously I don't know the answer to that. I have to experiment to find out. I hate being the guinea pig but so be it.

I know you don't know the reasoning behind your their reasoning.

But then we must ask ourselves: Since when is it HPD's responsibility to interpret the law? I was under the assumption that, as employees of public safety, it was their responsibility to ENFORCE the law, not interpret or change it.

Guess good 'ol barry soetoro is rubbing off on these guys as well.

Just got word from an inside source: it's someone specifically in the firearms department causing this headache and not from the upper echelons.

If its somebody in the firearms section its, Sgt Jaeger, he runs the unit there is a Lt. that oversees several other sections in records that he reports too. But the Sgt., is able to make/suggest changes in how the unit functions, he probably b.s the Lt. who doesn't really understand what goes on.
Sgt Jaeger was assigned to the Training Division / running the range for firearms training and department qualifications for several years, till he got reassigned because of the people he pissed off and now he got assigned to Firearms, feels he has all this power again.   

Received this new note from HPD the morning of 12/17/2015. Note the word changing from their previous request.

Maybe I'm blind but just got off he HRA site and could not find anything concerning this HPD idiocy. Called the NRA this morning and they are not aware of what's going on. Contacted our NRA regional reps office and guess what? Clueless! Is HRA doing anything?

  Is HRA doing anything?

Yes
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=20866.0

It seems that someone at HPD was getting tired of looking through the medical records for any mental issues. That person probably complained because he/she complained that their job was overwhelming and hard. Oh boo hoo. Just do your job.

I don't know about you, but I am VERY uncomfortable at having HPD review my medical records, for any reason, let alone trying to interpret the medical language to make some determination about my mental fitness to own a firearm. That, to me is very, very scary.
It shouldn't be the job of some junior HPD officer to read complex medical records, interpret medical terminology, and judge mental health treatment records...it is way, way, way beyond their scope of expertise and has resulted in folks getting denied a PTA because they did things like seek grief counseling after the death of a family member or taking their child to a mental health appointment.

Yes
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=20866.0

HRA has been working with both Kaiser and HPD for some time to get this straightened out. Unfortunately, HRA holds little bargaining power with either Kaiser or HPD. Both think they can make up policy and procedures without due consideration of legal constraints (HPD) or patient concerns over their medical records or insurance coverage. Based on those unsuccessful discussions, it would appear a legal action would be our most useful approach. Which is why folks with Kaiser who have had problems really need to contact Mr. Holcomb.