http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/30604621/two-hunting-rifles-stolen
a Zastava M70
Mossberg .22

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/30604621/two-hunting-rifles-stolen
a Zastava M70
Mossberg .22

How surprising they didn't use the term AK47 to describe the Zastava M70

How surprising they didn't use the term AK47 to describe the Zastava M70

and "hunting rifle" rather than "assault rifle"

"Place to keep" violation.

"Place to keep" violation.

If they weren't in locked cases or in a locked vehicle rack, they may also have violated the 1,000ft rule for schools.

Maybe the person was homeless?  That would probably be the safest place to keep....  Just saying.

Looking at the stolen stuff posts.  I'd like to debate this issue to see if my way of thinking is incorrect.  It is given that keeping firearms in your car is illegal, however, because it is law it doesn't make it right.  Everyone here should know that.  I'd like to talk about how everyone demonizes the person BECAUSE his stuff got stolen.  In my eyes just because it was guns it makes no difference.   Gun owwners should be double sympathetic to the victim of the theft, yet seems they are the first to cast stones.....

How do you secure your guns at home or in transit? 

Everyone here should know that.

I feel like you are trying to bully me with this statement. 

Looking at the stolen stuff posts.  I'd like to debate this issue to see if my way of thinking is incorrect.  It is given that keeping firearms in your car is illegal, however, because it is law it doesn't make it right.  Everyone here should know that.  I'd like to talk about how everyone demonizes the person BECAUSE his stuff got stolen.  In my eyes just because it was guns it makes no difference.   Gun owwners should be double sympathetic to the victim of the theft, yet seems they are the first to cast stones.....

How do you secure your guns at home or in transit?

All guns, mags and receivers are locked in my safe. The door to the safe remains closed and locked when I am not in front of the safe. When I have a gun out in my garage to work on it and I have to run to the store to pick up something I lock the gun up in my safe because even though it is in my home, it is out of my immediate control. Any gun not in my immediate control is in my safe or locked in my vehicle which I am in immediate control of. I guess I am anal retentive.

Does this give me the right to demonize someone? Maybe. I don't usually do that. I am not saying I never have. I am usually more sympathetic. But seriously, if someone doesn't lock up his guns and valuables, they will probably be stolen some day. I personally think that a person who owns a gun should also own a method of locking that gun up. JMHO 

Do the Hawaii statutes require us to keep our guns locked up in a safe? I thought they didn't, and the NRA is always fighting such laws.

I feel like you are trying to bully me with this statement. 
All guns, mags and receivers are locked in my safe. The door to the safe remains closed and locked when I am not in front of the safe. When I have a gun out in my garage to work on it and I have to run to the store to pick up something I lock the gun up in my safe because even though it is in my home, it is out of my immediate control. Any gun not in my immediate control is in my safe or locked in my vehicle which I am in immediate control of. I guess I am anal retentive.

Does this give me the right to demonize someone? Maybe. I don't usually do that. I am not saying I never have. I am usually more sympathetic. But seriously, if someone doesn't lock up his guns and valuables, they will probably be stolen some day. I personally think that a person who owns a gun should also own a method of locking that gun up. JMHO 

True Inspector.  You are blessed with the means to afford a good safe. What about those on limited income, living in a poor neighborhood,  needs protection,  can afford either a Glock or a safe..  is it now on that person if their fiream is stolen.


I am not trying to say dude did the right or smart thing leaving guns in his car.  What I'm getting at is this incessant blame on victims of crime as if their action are somehow causation of the crime.

It would be the same as saying, "she shouldn't have been wearing such provocative attire, if she didn't want to get raped."

Do the Hawaii statutes require us to keep our guns locked up in a safe? I thought they didn't, and the NRA is always fighting such laws.

They do not, as it should be, IMO.

They do not, as it should be, IMO.

     [§134-10.5]  Storage of firearm; responsibility with respect to minors.  No person shall store or keep any firearm on any premises under the person's control if the person knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the parent or guardian of the minor, unless the person:

     (1)  Keeps the firearm in a securely locked box or other container or in a location that a reasonable person would believe to be secure; or

     (2)  Carries the firearm on the person or within such close proximity thereto that the person readily can retrieve and use it as if it were carried on the person.

For purposes of this section, "minor" means any person under the age of sixteen years. [L 1992, c 288, §1]

True Inspector.  You are blessed with the means to afford a good safe. What about those on limited income, living in a poor neighborhood,  needs protection,  can afford either a Glock or a safe..  is it now on that person if their fiream is stolen.


I am not trying to say dude did the right or smart thing leaving guns in his car.  What I'm getting at is this incessant blame on victims of crime as if their action are somehow causation of the crime.

It would be the same as saying, "she shouldn't have been wearing such provocative attire, if she didn't want to get raped."

Heavies,

When I couldn't afford a safe I bought a used gun cabinet and lag bolted it to the studs in my closet. I paid at that time $25 for it out of the local freebie paper. I had it and used it for almost 25 years up until about a year ago. I bought second similar cabinet (Stack On) here from one of our members for $40 out of the classifieds on this website about 2 or 3  years ago. When I filled that one up I bought a safe and sold cabinets. In my mind it was never a Glock or a cabinet. It was how can I afford to do both?

And please don't take me wrong I am not blaming the guy for being the victim. I am not even attempting to put him down. It was not his fault in any way. You asked a question and I answered it. I think the question should be is he guilty of violating the law by not going straight home or to the range with his weapons? And if he is guilty of that should he be punished? BTW, I think that law should be repealed as it is about as ridiculous as most of our other laws are here.

Who cruises around with an AK and a 22 in their truck ?

Who cruises around with an AK and a 22 in their truck ?

me come on over I'll show you how we roll...

J/K macsak insert your PSA/favorite quote here "------"

I feel you should feel safe keeping your firearms, and other valuables, in your car.  That's the goal for a safer Hawaii in the long run.  Now how do we get there?

Unicorns, butterflies and rainbows.

I like zippz way of thinking. I mean a vehicle could be a form of rolling safe. It has locks and everything. 

Looking at the stolen stuff posts.  I'd like to debate this issue to see if my way of thinking is incorrect.  It is given that keeping firearms in your car is illegal, however, because it is law it doesn't make it right.  Everyone here should know that.  I'd like to talk about how everyone demonizes the person BECAUSE his stuff got stolen.  In my eyes just because it was guns it makes no difference.   Gun owwners should be double sympathetic to the victim of the theft, yet seems they are the first to cast stones.....

How do you secure your guns at home or in transit?

Whether your way of thinking is incorrect is not a matter for debate. You're free to think whatever you wish.

But we can debate why responsible gun owners are not sympathetic. It's because the irresponsible or reckless actions of the few reflects badly on us all and regardless of whether we feel a law is right, it is still the law.

To your last question, at home my service pistol is in a lock box, a shotgun someplace accessible and the rest are kept in safes. In transit to/from the range or work I keep them in cases.

a vehicle could be a form of rolling safe. It has locks and everything. 

Wwwhhhaaaatttt ?  ( start low pitched and go high pitched )

In the land of unicorns, rainbows and butterflies ?