Bad experience at KHSC today... (Read 33217 times)

aieahound

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2015, 10:51:19 AM »
Sorry you had to deal with that experience.
Especially with your grandkids there.

Don't know what the whole hunter's ed thing was about.
9 years old, .22lr, close supervision was always the rule as far as I know.

They always encouraged my kids but this was a few to a couple of years ago.

Depends on the RSO I guess.

jimsaloha

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2015, 11:13:35 AM »
The pistol range RO's make up their own rules.  "You can not leave a loaded magazine on the table during a cease-fire"(not in the rules).
I was on the rifle range and a young RO came over from the pistol range that day, told me I couldn't leave a loaded magazine on the bench during a cease-fire.
I walked over to Mike and asked his opinion, he told me and the RO that a loaded magazine can be left on the bench.

Heavies

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2015, 11:20:26 AM »
The pistol range RO's make up their own rules.  "You can not leave a loaded magazine on the table during a cease-fire"(not in the rules).
I was on the rifle range and a young RO came over from the pistol range that day, told me I couldn't leave a loaded magazine on the bench during a cease-fire.
I walked over to Mike and asked his opinion, he told me and the RO that a loaded magazine can be left on the bench.

Not saying you are wrong or arguing.  I just put them in my pocket.    I just don't like the idea of my pistol, which needs to be left on the bench, being easily loaded up by who knows, while I'm down range. 

K9

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2015, 11:26:11 AM »
The pistol range RO's make up their own rules.  "You can not leave a loaded magazine on the table during a cease-fire"(not in the rules).
I was on the rifle range and a young RO came over from the pistol range that day, told me I couldn't leave a loaded magazine on the bench during a cease-fire.
I walked over to Mike and asked his opinion, he told me and the RO that a loaded magazine can be left on the bench.


Rule #1 is know and obey all range commands.

Pistol range always instructs shooters to "remove all loaded magazines and target materials from the shooting bench" when a cease fire is called at the end of the relay. This is not required on the rifle side, but is a requirement on the pistol side.

Usually the persons who should heed the commands are those who don't and try to find excuses as to why later on. I've learned that sometimes it's too unreasonable to not have loaded mags near pistols when people are down range.

mauidog

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2015, 12:21:31 PM »
If you have never been called out by an RSO at the KHSC range,

then you need to go shooting more often!
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whynow?

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2015, 12:30:24 PM »
Was at the pistol side last week and have not had bad interactions with ROs.   I always put my mag, loaded or not in my pocket when I leave the firing line and cease fire.  The ROs there seem to be alright.
Last time at rifle side was 2 months ago and did not get any negative interactions although once  I was reminded to sign in and told not to leave a mag on the bench when I temporarily went to look for a broom.  They did not come across as negative and I just followed what they said.
I think when someone wants to shoot standing and they don't know you, they will check you out for a while until their sure of muzzle control (just my observation).
I always go weekday about 1400 so I guess the atmosphere is more relaxed with ROs having to check on less shooters.

mrgaf

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2015, 02:46:34 PM »
Sorry you had to deal with that experience.
Especially with your grandkids there.

Don't know what the whole hunter's ed thing was about.
9 years old, .22lr, close supervision was always the rule as far as I know.

They always encouraged my kids but this was a few to a couple of years ago.

Depends on the RSO I guess.

Hunter Ed is required for 9-12 year olds shooting center fire. The firearm I was using was clearly a .22.....
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Gordyf

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2015, 07:19:00 AM »
If you have never been called out by an RSO at the KHSC range,

then you need to go shooting more often!

How true it is!
Gordy
Aloha
Gordy

aieahound

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2015, 09:07:28 AM »
The firearm I was using was clearly a .22.....

Yeah. That's why I don't know what the whole hunter Ed thing was about.

s197

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2015, 09:19:48 AM »
Have nothing but respect for the RSOs. I've been scolded a few times but each time I deserved it. Slick in particular is a great guy.

Drakiir84

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2015, 12:03:58 PM »
Some of the RSO's like to interject themselves into your business.  I know exactly which guys you are talking about because I've had issues with them, not as bad as they were with you but issues nonetheless.  If I'm not doing anything that violates the safety rules and I'm not asking for assistance then I don't need your input.
"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

mrgaf

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2015, 01:56:26 PM »
Some of the RSO's like to interject themselves into your business.  I know exactly which guys you are talking about because I've had issues with them, not as bad as they were with you but issues nonetheless.  If I'm not doing anything that violates the safety rules and I'm not asking for assistance then I don't need your input.

Exactly! If the range supervisor decided to get off his okole and monitor his RSO's once in a while and reign them in when needed then all will be good. Fat chance that will ever happen though....
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

mrgaf

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2015, 02:01:40 PM »
Yeah. That's why I don't know what the whole hunter Ed thing was about.

Dunno... Maybe he and the other guy just wanted to show their "authority" (for lack of a better word....)
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

mrgaf

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2015, 02:05:13 PM »
Not saying you are wrong or arguing.  I just put them in my pocket.    I just don't like the idea of my pistol, which needs to be left on the bench, being easily loaded up by who knows, while I'm down range.

Agree 100% that's actually a common sense rule.
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

K9

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2015, 05:18:51 PM »
Agree 100% that's actually a common sense rule.

You'd be surprised how many people, including some of those on this forum have issue with this rule and absolutely, positively NEED an explanation as to why it's required.

88ss

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2015, 06:15:13 AM »
Mrgaf.
I only have one question on for you. How'd your grandson lIke shooting? :thumbsup: hope the bad experience didn't ruin the day for you and your grandson.
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Heavies

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2015, 02:30:58 PM »
Slick is the man.  Saw him dealing with a few people today.   Seemed like there was a slight amount of friction, however, he calmed it down and everything was safe and fun.  Might be a little bit of language barrier there. Lol.

mrgaf

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2015, 04:07:53 PM »
Mrgaf.
I only have one question on for you. How'd your grandson lIke shooting? :thumbsup: hope the bad experience didn't ruin the day for you and your grandson.

he had a great time. First time pulling the trigger but he did real good. Also had my granddaughter there 13 yo). She was pretty apprehensive at first but after the fist round was lit off, she loved it. Hindsight bring 20/20, what more could a grand father ask for? The incident did nothing to spoil thier day.... :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

Heavies

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2015, 05:25:37 PM »
he had a great time. First time pulling the trigger but he did real good. Also had my granddaughter there 13 yo). She was pretty apprehensive at first but after the fist round was lit off, she loved it. Hindsight bring 20/20, what more could a grand father ask for? The incident did nothing to spoil thier day.... :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
Awesome and glad to hear!!!!   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

K9

Re: Bad experience at KHSC today...
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2015, 04:32:06 AM »
he had a great time. First time pulling the trigger but he did real good. Also had my granddaughter there 13 yo). She was pretty apprehensive at first but after the fist round was lit off, she loved it. Hindsight bring 20/20, what more could a grand father ask for? The incident did nothing to spoil thier day.... :thumbsup: :geekdanc:

The RO in question with the silver hair asked whether your grand kids took hunter ed because he mistook you for another shooter who he was helping originally and was trying to make small talk with you. Usually, if a child IS shooting center fire and is being questioned as a "corrective action," then the shooter or responsible adult is guided to the rules board to review the rules.

When the taller RO, who I admit, has a little more aggressive approach to enforcing the rules, came over to your bench, it was because the original RO and he HADN'T talked about whether your grand kids was or wasn't of age and had to do his own assessment. The fact that he hadn't said anything meant he didn't see anything wrong.

This seems like a complete misunderstanding. However, we never stop anyone from initiating complaints, there have been misunderstandings and complaints in the past. And every RO, as well as veteran range users, know that it's the RO's job to watch EVERY shooter utilizing the range at any given time.

It's really damned if you do, damned if you don't for ROs. They exist to make sure people do not leave with any additional holes in them, and sometimes--a lot of times--brings out the ego or what not in people.