better kick out all the christians for the bombing of abortions clinics, mass genocide in africa, and the IRA jus to name a few.

That's actually funny!   

Please post your sources for all of the Christians involved in "mass genocides in Africa". 

When was the last time an abortion clinic was bombed, the bomber identified and convicted, and the bomber confessed to acting on the basis of his Christian beliefs?  (Hint:  The last time anyone was convicted of bombing a clinic was in 1998, and his motives were based more on his own personal beliefs as opposed to following the Bible).

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) is any of several armed movements in Ireland in the 20th and 21st centuries dedicated to Irish republicanism, the belief that all of Ireland should be an independent republic.

How does the IRA activities have any bearing on immigration to the US?  There have been no IRA attacks on US soil as far as I know.  Can't say that about Radical Islamic Terrorists.

Quote from news review
https://www.newsreview.com/reno/christian-terrorism/content?oid=19285006

Rev. Paul Jennings Hill killed an abortion provider and his bodyguard.
 The Dylann Roof murders at an African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston,
Klansman Frazier Glenn Cross’s killings of several Kansas Jews,
 Scott Roeder’s murder of a Kansas abortion provider,
Wade Michael Page’s massacre at a Wisconsin Sikh temple,
it goes on and on. One wonders whether Muslims in other nations can help but consider the United States and its Christians to be a murderous people. Should we, given our history of violence, be described by a term like “Christian terrorism”?

But I agree with this 100%

And yet...
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
―  Franklin, Memoirs of the life & writings of Benjamin Franklin

Merely being associated with a religion, including Christianity and Islam, doesn't make you a Radical Terrorist controlled by your beliefs in that religion.

However, when a terrorist screams "Allahu Akbar!!" during the commission of an attack, it's apparent their motives lie in their religious beliefs.

For example:  a racially motivated shooting of Black South Carolina church goers is not  a Christian Terror Attack, no matter if the attacker is a Christian or not.  Christianity does not motivate anyone to kill indiscriminately people of other races.

I am going to have to read up on the court case and the law in question for some more context, but I am not sure if your reasoning stands, and I will explain why.

At stores or restaurants you might have seen the sign that says a restaurant reserves the right to refuse service to anyone. It does hold true according to law that a restaurant owner can refuse service to anyone, however other laws we have dictate that the refusal of service cannot be based on certain traits (protected classes). A restaurant cannot deny service to an individual because the individual is black for example even though they legally have the right to refuse service to anyone.

On top of that, even though people wishing to immigrate do not have all the rights of citizens I think the point can be made that we as the leaders of the free world and protector of freedoms also practice what we preach. That doesn't mean we just let everyone in, but it does mean having a better, more just screening method than simply whether a person is muslim or not.

Funny. You admit to not reading the legal findings in the two cited cases, but that doesn't stop you from trying to concoct some hypothetical scenario to back up your claims. Try this: read the cases, and see how they correspond to the constitutionality of the Trump's proposal and then form your argument against the legal findings in the cited decisions.

Funny. You admit to not reading the legal findings in the two cited cases, but that doesn't stop you from trying to concoct some hypothetical scenario to back up your claims. Try this: read the cases, and see how they correspond to the constitutionality of the Trump's proposal and then form your argument against the legal findings in the cited decisions.

I wish it could be that easy to change people's ways ...

you can't be that naive to believe that none of these other attacks in America are not based on a religion other than Islam.

how about 5 words.....

The free exercise of religion.

Didn't know you needed the extra words.  Kinda thought they meant the same thing.
"
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
― Benjamin Franklin, Memoirs of the life & writings of Benjamin Franklin

you can't be that naive to believe that none of these other attacks in America are not based on a religion other than Islam.

Enlighten me, please.  I've been to Sunday School, many sermons, and lots of retreats at churches.

I've never read or heard of any Christian teachings or Bible passages which equate to the Koran's concept of Jihad.

Where, exactly is that principle taught in Christianity today, that it would make us wary of allowing Christians into the US?

you can't be that naive to believe that none of these other attacks in America are not based on a religion other than Islam.

You tend to gravitate toward absolutes using words like "all", "always", never" and "none or no".

All Jihadists are motivated by their religion to commit violence and murder.

Some Christians may have been motivated in part by their religious beliefs to commit violence, but the cases I am thinking of are targeting people who are committing infanticide or other acts viewed as mortal sins.  Christians are not randomly shooting up conference centers, schools, recruiting centers, marathons and finance centers.  Jihadists commit their crimes against symbolic or easy targets to make demands or some political/religious statement.  Their act is not intended to destroy the cause of their gripes, but to coerce the government or the public to solve those gripes or suffer additional random attacks on targets unrelated to the problem. 

Most Domestic terror attacks actually try to destroy the cause of their gripes: abortion centers, federal agency buildings, etc.  Most home-grown extremist groups will send a pipe bomb to a judge they don't like before bombing a school and demanding that judge be removed from the bench!

When was the last time you saw a similar warning to not insult Christians for fear of violent responses?

You better not insult us Atheists either. Because we are allied with the Underpants Gnomes:

 

 
since MauiD's all over the place again.
(And apparently really is that naive.)


This Country is built in part on the free exercise of religion.
(Again MauiD gets his panties in a bunch if you say freedom of religion)

"
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
― Benjamin Franklin, Memoirs of the life & writings of Benjamin Franklin

If we give up our freedoms and our liberty are we not against everything we stand for ?

This is not about refugees and not about Syrians. This is about rejecting every Muslim who wants to move here.

I can see anyone, regardless of religion, who travels to parts of the Middle East ain't allowed back.
(Other than military etc.)

On the other hand...

Foreigners don't have any "right" to be in our country. We have every right to control their access. We are a sovereign nation.

As far as "sweeping generalizations", look at a world map. Thailand, Indonesia, Africa, Europe and of course the ME, all embroiled in violence due to Islam.

You WANT to bring that shit here?

That's actually funny!   

Please post your sources for all of the Christians involved in "mass genocides in Africa". 

When was the last time an abortion clinic was bombed, the bomber identified and convicted, and the bomber confessed to acting on the basis of his Christian beliefs?  (Hint:  The last time anyone was convicted of bombing a clinic was in 1998, and his motives were based more on his own personal beliefs as opposed to following the Bible).

How does the IRA activities have any bearing on immigration to the US?  There have been no IRA attacks on US soil as far as I know.  Can't say that about Radical Islamic Terrorists.

islamic terrorism around the world matters but christian terrorism around the world doesn't
that's a very nice double standard you have there mauidog.

so do you only care about terrorism within the US?
the ku klux klan is the christian isis

but to be even more realistic lets just discuss the amount of terror on the streets of the US in general

the number of deaths by terrorism since 2001 is 390 deaths
number of deaths by auto accidents is over 19,000 for 2015 alone

we don't even need to care about religion on this Trump should be banning automobiles

i don't understand why Trump can't see the real problem! Ban the importation of foreign cars!

islamic terrorism around the world matters but christian terrorism around the world doesn't
that's a very nice double standard you have there mauidog.

so do you only care about terrorism within the US?
the ku klux klan is the christian isis

but to be even more realistic lets just discuss the amount of terror on the streets of the US in general

the number of deaths by terrorism since 2001 is 390 deaths
number of deaths by auto accidents is over 19,000 for 2015 alone

we don't even need to care about religion on this Trump should be banning automobiles

Please post your sources for all of the Christians involved in "mass genocides in Africa."

I made it bigger since you apparently missed it the first time.

If you aren't able to find the info, it's probably because your statement is 100% BS.

I do care about terrorism around the world, but I care more when it affects our country.  I have many more family and friends I care about here in the US than overseas.

I lost 12 friends and co-workers on 9/11 at the Pentagon.  Sounds from your posts like you need to love the US a little more, then perhaps you'd care more about keeping terrorists away, too.

since MauiD's all over the place again.
(And apparently really is that naive.)


This Country is built in part on the free exercise of religion.
(Again MauiD gets his panties in a bunch if you say freedom of religion)

"
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
― Benjamin Franklin, Memoirs of the life & writings of Benjamin Franklin

If we give up our freedoms and our liberty are we not against everything we stand for ?

This is not about refugees and not about Syrians. This is about rejecting every Muslim who wants to move here.

I can see anyone, regardless of religion, who travels to parts of the Middle East ain't allowed back.
(Other than military etc.)

On the other hand...

Typical jerk comment again from you.  You must really love me to give me such special attention all the time.  I bet EEF is jealous!

 

 

This Country is built in part on the free exercise of religion.

"
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
― Benjamin Franklin, Memoirs of the life & writings of Benjamin Franklin

If we give up our freedoms and our liberty are we not against everything we stand for ?

This is not about refugees and not about Syrians. This is about rejecting every Muslim who wants to move here.

I can see anyone, regardless of religion, who travels to parts of the Middle East ain't allowed back.
(Other than military etc.)

On the other hand...

Edited because apparently I hurt the pussy's feelings.

P.s.
Mods I know this is wrong but if people throw stones.......

And I think the post has merit for discussion.

Please post your sources for all of the Christians involved in "mass genocides in Africa."

I made it bigger since you apparently missed it the first time.

If you aren't able to find the info, it's probably because your statement is 100% BS.

I do care about terrorism around the world, but I care more when it affects our country.  I have many more family and friends I care about here in the US than overseas.

I lost 12 friends and co-workers on 9/11 at the Pentagon.  Sounds from your posts like you need to love the US a little more, then perhaps you'd care more about keeping terrorists away, too.

I've actually been to afghanistan and seen the "terrorism" you're afraid of, I've been under sniper fire and run over IEDs, I've tortured afghans under orders and I sat by as we blew up people's mud huts with $40,000 bombs.

This problem of terrorism wouldn't exist if our government weren't creating it in the first place.

your christian terrorism doesn't get much coverage cause africa doesn't matter to the greatest nation on earth.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/tens-of-thousands-of-muslims-flee-christian-militias-in-central-african-republic/2014/02/07/5a1adbb2-9032-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html

I've actually been to afghanistan and seen the "terrorism" you're afraid of, I've been under sniper fire and run over IEDs, I've tortured afghan's under orders and I sat by as we blew up people's mud huts with $40,000 bombs.

Really?

What unit are you with?

And what AO?

And what year?

And who was your commanding officer so I can make some calls and find out if that really happened?




I find it strange because most people that actually did that kind of stuff don't tend to talk about it.

You know, since torturing people is against the Geneva convention and a war crime punishable by law and all.

I've actually been to afghanistan and seen the "terrorism" you're afraid of, I've been under sniper fire and run over IEDs, I've tortured afghan's under orders and I sat by as we blew up people's mud huts with $40,000 bombs.

This problem of terrorism wouldn't exist if our government weren't creating it in the first place.

your christian terrorism doesn't get much coverage cause africa doesn't matter to the greatest nation on earth.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/tens-of-thousands-of-muslims-flee-christian-militias-in-central-african-republic/2014/02/07/5a1adbb2-9032-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html

"Christian Terrorism" would get coverage 24/7 in the US IF IT EXISTED AT ALL.  Do you think the main stream media here would not jump all over that?  Do you think the media here plays favorites when Christians do bad things by burying the stories? 

                                                                                                               

At least 21 people have been killed in Bangui on Saturday and about 100 others wounded as Muslims attacked a mainly Christian neighbourhood, a government spokesman said.

The reprisal attack in the capital of Central African Republic comes after a Muslim man was killed and his body found dumped in a street close to the airport.

Muslims left their stronghold in the third district of Bangui and attacked the largely Christian fifth district using automatic guns, heavier weapons and grenades.

The religious and ethnic unrest, which erupted after Muslim Séléka rebels seized power in the majority Christian country in 2013, has left the country divided. Two years of violence in the landlocked country has killed thousands of people and forced many more to leave their homes.

There had not been any attacks in Bangui for months until a grenade attack earlier in September. This latest conflict is the worst violence this year in a city secured by French and UN peacekeepers.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/27/central-african-republic-violent-sectarian-clashes-erupt-in-bangui

Really?

What unit are you with?

And what AO?

And what year?

And who was your commanding officer so I can make some calls and find out if that really happened?

I find it strange because most people that actually did that kind of stuff don't tend to talk about it.

You know, since torturing people is against the Geneva convention and a war crime punishable by law and all.

I was attached to 3/2 3rd MAR DIV as a part of their Police training/ Human Intel as a combat replacement

RC southwest in Musa Qala, Sangin, and Now Zad

2011, May - November

i couldn't be bothered to remember who the CO at the time was

it's strange how our snipers got busted for pissing on dead bodies but no one knows about the HUMINT team because we weren't stupid enough to take pictures of what we did.

most people don't talk about it because they don't want to admit the fact that they were nothing more than thugs paid by the government. More vets need to start speaking up about what they are doing and how it has absolutely nothing to do with defending the US.