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So what kind of car do you drive?

Quote from: Kingkeoni on October 19, 2011, 11:36:57 AM

Nut kicker

So what kind of car do you drive?

A marked HPD cruiser

Mmm...OGC is the only place that let my 14y/o son shoulder a bunch of shotguns/rifles to find one that "fit". That alone was enough to make it the best shop in my book. 

And yes, parking is a real pain. But I don't blame the shop...it's the browsers who are just killing time and buy nothing that suck. Seriously, if you're going to spend 1/2 an hour chatting and fondling stuff, at least walk out with SOMETHING!

Mmm...OGC is the only place that let my 14y/o son shoulder a bunch of shotguns/rifles to find one that "fit". That alone was enough to make it the best shop in my book. 

And yes, parking is a real pain. But I don't blame the shop...it's the browsers who are just killing time and buy nothing that suck. Seriously, if you're going to spend 1/2 an hour chatting and fondling stuff, at least walk out with SOMETHING!

I disagree.

I think the ability to go to the LGS and shoot the $#!t is what makes gun shops great.

I buy more guns and ammo than anyone I know but I still enjoy the fondling sessions and the camaraderie that I can only get at the LGS.

Quote from: Colt808 on October 19, 2011, 08:06:58 PM

Mmm...OGC is the only place that let my 14y/o son shoulder a bunch of shotguns/rifles to find one that "fit". That alone was enough to make it the best shop in my book. 

And yes, parking is a real pain. But I don't blame the shop...it's the browsers who are just killing time and buy nothing that suck. Seriously, if you're going to spend 1/2 an hour chatting and fondling stuff, at least walk out with SOMETHING!

I disagree.

I think the ability to go to the LGS and shoot the $#!t is what makes gun shops great.

I buy more guns and ammo than anyone I know but I still enjoy the fondling sessions and the camaraderie that I can only get at the LGS.

I agree with King.  noobs like me learn a lot from talking to the staff, other customers.  If people are willing to share advice and opinions to those willing to listen, it will only increase enthusiasm and eventually introduce more people to firearms.  After a few range sessions with friends, I went to all the gun shops and "talked story" with as many people as I could to decide if it was something I wanted to get into.  Agree or disagree, it's good to hear as many opinions so it can help in forming your own.  I now own 4 firearms and am willing to share as much as I know with anyone who will listen.  I think LGS owners and staff understand that even people killing time will directly or indirectly add to more business.

Quote from: Colt808 on October 19, 2011, 08:06:58 PM

Mmm...OGC is the only place that let my 14y/o son shoulder a bunch of shotguns/rifles to find one that "fit". That alone was enough to make it the best shop in my book. 

And yes, parking is a real pain. But I don't blame the shop...it's the browsers who are just killing time and buy nothing that suck. Seriously, if you're going to spend 1/2 an hour chatting and fondling stuff, at least walk out with SOMETHING!

I disagree.

I think the ability to go to the LGS and shoot the $#!t is what makes gun shops great.

I buy more guns and ammo than anyone I know but I still enjoy the fondling sessions and the camaraderie that I can only get at the LGS.

What exactly is there to disagree with? My belief that OGC is a great shop because they let my son find the right gun? Or the fact that finding parking would be easier if it spaces were not filled by a non-paying/space taking customers?

Great, you buy a lot of guns and ammo. Your point? In the 1/2 hour or whatever you spend chatting...how many people are stuck circling the block with cash in hand? I know this happens because I've done it myself, if I don't find parking in 10-15 minutes, I'm gone. The same goes for most of the guys I send there. Hell just last week, I took a "side trip" while headed to Ft. Shafter with 3 guys from the office. We all had our permits and cash to pick up some shotguns (I wanted an 1100). But after dodging panel vans up and down the block for 20 minutes, we ended up leaving.

Maybe it's just me, but I try to be courteous to my fellow shoppers and believe just because I spend money doesn't mean I should deny others from doing the same. So I'm usually in and out of OGC within about 5 minutes...dropping $800 for ammo each of my last 2 visits. And before you read into things and say "What about when your son...", well that's simple: I was parked wayyyy down the street.

That said, I know that you (KK) know exactly what I'm talking about. You'd be the first to throw a fit if you drove all the way to the range and all the bays were taken up by people talking story instead of shooting (denying you "trigger time"). It's basically the same thing.

I agree with King.  noobs like me learn a lot from talking to the staff, other customers.  If people are willing to share advice and opinions to those willing to listen, it will only increase enthusiasm and eventually introduce more people to firearms.  After a few range sessions with friends, I went to all the gun shops and "talked story" with as many people as I could to decide if it was something I wanted to get into.  Agree or disagree, it's good to hear as many opinions so it can help in forming your own.  I now own 4 firearms and am willing to share as much as I know with anyone who will listen.  I think LGS owners and staff understand that even people killing time will directly or indirectly add to more business.

It's true that one can learn a lot from helpful staff and fellow enthusiasts, no doubt about it...but there is a time and place. When a location (such as OGC) has limited available parking, at some point someone taking up space to "talk story" CAN hurt the bottom line. (My point--->) People who are serious about supporting a shop should buy something after taking up the time.

If parking was not an issue, I say make house. But with the way things are? People need to consider how it might affect the business.

Quote from: Kingkeoni on October 19, 2011, 08:52:47 PM

Quote from: Colt808 on October 19, 2011, 08:06:58 PM

Mmm...OGC is the only place that let my 14y/o son shoulder a bunch of shotguns/rifles to find one that "fit". That alone was enough to make it the best shop in my book. 

And yes, parking is a real pain. But I don't blame the shop...it's the browsers who are just killing time and buy nothing that suck. Seriously, if you're going to spend 1/2 an hour chatting and fondling stuff, at least walk out with SOMETHING!

I disagree.

I think the ability to go to the LGS and shoot the $#!t is what makes gun shops great.

I buy more guns and ammo than anyone I know but I still enjoy the fondling sessions and the camaraderie that I can only get at the LGS.

What exactly is there to disagree with? My belief that OGC is a great shop because they let my son find the right gun? Or the fact that finding parking would be easier if it spaces were not filled by a non-paying/space taking customers?

Great, you buy a lot of guns and ammo. Your point? In the 1/2 hour or whatever you spend chatting...how many people are stuck circling the block with cash in hand? I know this happens because I've done it myself, if I don't find parking in 10-15 minutes, I'm gone. The same goes for most of the guys I send there. Hell just last week, I took a "side trip" while headed to Ft. Shafter with 3 guys from the office. We all had our permits and cash to pick up some shotguns (I wanted an 1100). But after dodging panel vans up and down the block for 20 minutes, we ended up leaving.

Maybe it's just me, but I try to be courteous to my fellow shoppers and believe just because I spend money doesn't mean I should deny others from doing the same. So I'm usually in and out of OGC within about 5 minutes...dropping $800 for ammo each of my last 2 visits. And before you read into things and say "What about when your son...", well that's simple: I was parked wayyyy down the street.

That said, I know that you (KK) know exactly what I'm talking about. You'd be the first to throw a fit if you drove all the way to the range and all the bays were taken up by people talking story instead of shooting (denying you "trigger time"). It's basically the same thing.

Quote from: 42itus on October 19, 2011, 09:30:10 PM

I agree with King.  noobs like me learn a lot from talking to the staff, other customers.  If people are willing to share advice and opinions to those willing to listen, it will only increase enthusiasm and eventually introduce more people to firearms.  After a few range sessions with friends, I went to all the gun shops and "talked story" with as many people as I could to decide if it was something I wanted to get into.  Agree or disagree, it's good to hear as many opinions so it can help in forming your own.  I now own 4 firearms and am willing to share as much as I know with anyone who will listen.  I think LGS owners and staff understand that even people killing time will directly or indirectly add to more business.

It's true that one can learn a lot from helpful staff and fellow enthusiasts, no doubt about it...but there is a time and place. When a location (such as OGC) has limited available parking, at some point someone taking up space to "talk story" CAN hurt the bottom line. (My point--->) People who are serious about supporting a shop should buy something after taking up the time.

If parking was not an issue, I say make house. But with the way things are? People need to consider how it might affect the business.

And so the debate rages on.

"buy now or leave!"

Or

"Enjoy the good company and guns."

Gun shops are there to sell you stuff.  If I wanted advise I'd seek an expert.  A smith or for tactical stuff a real operator.

I have been on this Island for a year now and found OGC to have the best prices, very close to some shops in the mainland.  I was a big fan of this shop at first.

Now I rather pay more, elsewhere then to deal with the owners behavior. He is very unfriendly, rude and unappreciative.  He will treat  people with extreme demeanor,  knowing that he has the best prices he really doesn't care about customer relations.

I have been on this Island for a year now and found OGC to have the best prices, very close to some shops in the mainland.  I was a big fan of this shop at first.

Now I rather pay more, elsewhere then to deal with the owners behavior. He is very unfriendly, rude and unappreciative.  He will treat  people with extreme demeanor,  knowing that he has the best prices he really doesn't care about customer relations.

Meh!

I have not witnessed this behavior. I have been going to OGC since they opened.

Maybe you asked him a retarded question, like "eh brah, does this .308 rifle kick?"  An he responded in kind.

I have never had an issue with Carter. Sounds like thin skin... and wait a second.....is that another parking spot opening up?

I have been on this Island for a year now and found OGC to have the best prices, very close to some shops in the mainland.  I was a big fan of this shop at first.

Now I rather pay more, elsewhere then to deal with the owners behavior. He is very unfriendly, rude and unappreciative.  He will treat  people with extreme demeanor,  knowing that he has the best prices he really doesn't care about customer relations.

as compared to ...??  Magnum?   gimme a break

you're entitled to your opinions......  can't make everyone happy

OGC rocks! Never had a bad experience with them. Carter, Eric, Eugene and Dan understand customer service.

I must say that customer service plays a big part with me....

Till this day I still can't believe I bought a gun from Magnum a while back for more than it was worth....
I was hypnotized by Brian's coolness... 

Not saying that Carter's not cool, cause he's a JEDI in the firearm world but I'm a sucker for customer service when it comes to any hobby....

I have been on this Island for a year now and found OGC to have the best prices, very close to some shops in the mainland.  I was a big fan of this shop at first.

Now I rather pay more, elsewhere then to deal with the owners behavior. He is very unfriendly, rude and unappreciative.  He will treat  people with extreme demeanor,  knowing that he has the best prices he really doesn't care about customer relations.

I think its really neat that you have three posts, and two of them specifically target me and my shop.  Did you ever really consider just reaching out and letting us know if you feel you weren't treated well so we could attempt to rectify it?  No.. instead, you anonymously bash us on a public forum knowing there are no repercussions.  I ask you to simply send me a PM with you real name and email and I'd like to know the circumstances under which you felt you were treated poorly.  If I'm a fault, I'll rectify the situation and make it up to you.  If you were making unreasonable demands or requests, at least in my opinion, we can figure that out as well as maybe there is a perception issue.

Please understand, I'm like any other person.  I have other things going on both professionally and personally just like you, and I may have just finished giving the 15th daily iteration of the entire history of the AR and the differences between the different models at the moment you walked in.  That's not a slam or an excuse just a possible explanation.

You know who I am, the big guy on the stool at OGC, have the decency to introduce yourself as well.

And so the debate rages on.

"buy now or leave!"

Or

"Enjoy the good company and guns."

I truly hope you're not serious, because there is no debate to be had here.

No one said anything about "buy now or leave". Just because I get what I need/want and know how to GTFO, doesn't mean Carter and crew expect or even imply that. As stated, my no B.S. express style is just my personal understanding of the parking issue and respect for others. So I'm just showing common courtesy OGC and fellow shoppers. It's really that simple.

As for enjoying the company? Well, it's a gun shop, as in a retail store/business establishment;  Not a lounge or some secret clubhouse. They are there to sell and I go there to buy. If I want to hang out with friends or have my ego stroked, there are more appropriate places.

Maybe you can open a chat lounge for gun owners instead of a pawn shop?

Quote from: JonBones808 on October 20, 2011, 02:52:25 PM

I have been on this Island for a year now and found OGC to have the best prices, very close to some shops in the mainland.  I was a big fan of this shop at first.

Now I rather pay more, elsewhere then to deal with the owners behavior. He is very unfriendly, rude and unappreciative.  He will treat  people with extreme demeanor,  knowing that he has the best prices he really doesn't care about customer relations.

I think its really neat that you have three posts, and two of them specifically target me and my shop.  Did you ever really consider just reaching out and letting us know if you feel you weren't treated well so we could attempt to rectify it?  No.. instead, you anonymously bash us on a public forum knowing there are no repercussions.  I ask you to simply send me a PM with you real name and email and I'd like to know the circumstances under which you felt you were treated poorly.  If I'm a fault, I'll rectify the situation and make it up to you.  If you were making unreasonable demands or requests, at least in my opinion, we can figure that out as well as maybe there is a perception issue.

Please understand, I'm like any other person.  I have other things going on both professionally and personally just like you, and I may have just finished giving the 15th daily iteration of the entire history of the AR and the differences between the different models at the moment you walked in.  That's not a slam or an excuse just a possible explanation.

You know who I am, the big guy on the stool at OGC, have the decency to introduce yourself as well.

I've never noticed anything unfriendly about how you run things. Most of us know that when you're quiet you're probably deep in thought, ordering more stuff, or surfing gun porn. 

Colt, your point is understood.  What I'm saying is, for those of us new to the community, I have tons of questions and I don't feel like I'm wasting anyone's time.  I feel like YG and OGC are the two places that will happily answer questions (even though they probably answer the same questions x 15 a day).  They will offer their opinions based on their experience.  Other LGS (in my experience) will try to sell you what they think you should buy.  I sell stuff for a living all day and I'm very good at it.  I try to teach my staff that the best way to sell something to someone is to listen to them, figure out what they want, and make a suggestion.

My point is, you know what you want, you go in and get it.  When I go there to buy accessories or ammo, I'm in and out as well.  But if I'm considering a new firearm, however inconsiderate it might be, it's my hard earned money and I'm going to make sure I get what I want.  If OGC doesn't want people to spend time in there and ask questions, the solution is simple.  Don't be helpful.

Quote from: Kingkeoni on October 20, 2011, 01:29:05 AM

And so the debate rages on.

"buy now or leave!"

Or

"Enjoy the good company and guns."

I truly hope you're not serious, because there is no debate to be had here.

No one said anything about "buy now or leave". Just because I get what I need/want and know how to GTFO, doesn't mean Carter and crew expect or even imply that. As stated, my no B.S. express style is just my personal understanding of the parking issue and respect for others. So I'm just showing common courtesy OGC and fellow shoppers. It's really that simple.

As for enjoying the company? Well, it's a gun shop, as in a retail store/business establishment;  Not a lounge or some secret clubhouse. They are there to sell and I go there to buy. If I want to hang out with friends or have my ego stroked, there are more appropriate places.

Maybe you can open a chat lounge for gun owners instead of a pawn shop?

I always find it funny when someone presumes to know someones business motto.

I disagree again with you.

I seriously believe that Carter and gang enjoy talking to customers.

Just because you have a GTFO attitude doesn't mean everyone does.

Since you're so concerned why don't you open a drive thru gun shop.

As for enjoying the company? Well, it's a gun shop, as in a retail store/business establishment;  Not a lounge or some secret clubhouse. They are there to sell and I go there to buy. If I want to hang out with friends or have my ego stroked, there are more appropriate places.

Actually, have you noticed the stools and chairs right outside the gallery? If I remember correctly in a post somewhere, at one point during it's construction, Carter intended the place to have an area where people can chill and relax and hang out with like-minded people; right next to the future firing range. I swear I remember seeing him type that, or I could be making the entire thing up, but I think it was supposed to be a "member's lounge" or something like that.

Quote from: Colt808 on October 21, 2011, 11:27:12 PM

As for enjoying the company? Well, it's a gun shop, as in a retail store/business establishment;  Not a lounge or some secret clubhouse. They are there to sell and I go there to buy. If I want to hang out with friends or have my ego stroked, there are more appropriate places.

Actually, have you noticed the stools and chairs right outside the gallery? If I remember correctly in a post somewhere, at one point during it's construction, Carter intended the place to have an area where people can chill and relax and hang out with like-minded people; right next to the future firing range. I swear I remember seeing him type that, or I could be making the entire thing up, but I think it was supposed to be a "member's lounge" or something like that.

Yes it was a place that we can hang out and wait for the range to open. Well... we are still waiting ( no poke at carter) so the whole area is being appropriately imo! I'm sure Carter gets tired of me lol, but I hang out and talk for like 20-30 mins almost every time I am there to buy ammo for our classes. It's a chance to talk 'shop' for things that interest everyone (guns, ATF, laws, legal shit, government etc.).

I enjoy it.  I like other shops as well, WGS those guys were pretty cool. I just don't get out to Hawaii Kai if I am not going to KKSC.