Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt (Read 67712 times)

blackheart0311

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2016, 07:49:05 PM »
Interesting. 

Rocky: What's the purpose for having the lid on and only growing through the holes?
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hvybarrels

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2016, 08:56:02 PM »
There's a SoilWeb app for iphone and android that will give you the soil type for your gps coordinates. It's not probably not worth your time to get it tested unless you are using a large area but if it's bright red then chances are it's high in manganese and aluminum, low in calcium, zinc, boron, and ph. Being that close to industrial sites I'd encourage you to use raised beds and mix your own using commonly found ingredient lists in order to avoid accidentally ingesting toxic waste and heavy metals. Square Foot Gardening is a good book for beginners and if you can follow a recipe to bake a cake from scratch then the most difficult part will be chasing down the shopping list.

The most exciting development in organic ag right now is worm compost tea sprayed directly under the leaf and fed through drip line. It actually release some chemical compounds that can match the size gains of Miracle Grow/NPK bombs, with the added benefit of your veggies not tasting like plastic.

You'll also need to look into pesticides like Neem Oil, Entrust, and Pyganic because the bugs are brutal and unfortunately overspraying has made a lot of them (especially Diamondback Moth) immune to a lot of stuff. Overspray also kills the mini-wasps that are their natural enemies, as well as other beneficial insects that you want hanging around to keep the aphids, mites, and thrips under control. Use sparingly and rotate often.

Then there are of course birds, plant diseases, infected feral cats using it like a litter box, and scariest of all the Rat Lung Worm which actually rots away chunks of your brain and turns people into either stuttering idiots or violent psychopaths.

It's totally worth it, just make sure you wash your harvest really well and keep your tools clean.
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hvybarrels

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2016, 09:01:56 PM »
http://www.malamaopuna.org/ratlung/needtoknow.php

More info on Rat Lungworm. Keep that Sluggo handy and kill those snails and slugs whenever you see them. Just don't lick your fingers after you pick them up.
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GZire

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2016, 11:05:12 AM »
http://www.malamaopuna.org/ratlung/needtoknow.php

More info on Rat Lungworm. Keep that Sluggo handy and kill those snails and slugs whenever you see them. Just don't lick your fingers after you pick them up.


Pretty gnarly stuff that happened to that kid from the Big Island several years back.

blackheart0311

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2016, 05:41:28 PM »
http://www.malamaopuna.org/ratlung/needtoknow.php

More info on Rat Lungworm. Keep that Sluggo handy and kill those snails and slugs whenever you see them. Just don't lick your fingers after you pick them up.

Sounds like a good time!
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yurcarmeean

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2016, 08:18:50 PM »
Usually don't  plant in straight compost, too "hot" with ammonia, nitrogen and bacteria.
Immature compost can also rob nitrogen from the soil
Compost is  generally used as an additive to enrich soil and to hold moisture or as a topping around plants to further enrich soil, hold moisture and deter weeds from growing around plants.
(ever notice when compost is placed around plants, nothing grows in it?).

  We make our own compost with our yard clippings / cut grass (sans weeds or seeds), chicken coop poop and pine shavings.
   Some kitchen scraps that don't go to worms or chickens are also added.

  We "Hot Compost" which means we actively water, turn and aerate our pile (pile #1) to keep the pile "Hot"and get decent compost in 3-4 months.
The heat comes from the bacteria/bacteriea and chemicals and resulting in heat
Tilling the pile, making things are cut as small as possible and managing the green to brown ratio makes it quicker.

  "Cold" or "Lazy" composting is just throwing everything in a pile and letting nature take it's course which will take about a year.
After Pile #1 reaches a decomposed, wet yet separable state, it is usable for tilling into soil or as a topping or our pile #2.


Q or Rocky:
 
Can a cold/static compost pile be transformed back to a hot/wet/ biologically healthy compost pile?  If so, will watering and tilling be enough?  Thanks
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macsak

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2016, 08:47:37 PM »
Q or Rocky:
 
Can a cold/static compost pile be transformed back to a hot/wet/ biologically healthy compost pile?  If so, will watering and tilling be enough?  Thanks

yes, till and water, but the key part is getting the carbon:nitrogen ratio to be ideal

blackheart0311

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2016, 11:25:31 AM »
yes, till and water, but the key part is getting the carbon:nitrogen ratio to be ideal

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Q

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2016, 11:52:22 AM »
yes, till and water, but the key part is getting the carbon:nitrogen ratio to be ideal

Why till and water

macsak

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2016, 12:08:54 PM »

Why till and water
add air and moisture and get some bacterial action going
Then the pile should heat up once the C:N ratio gets closer to ideal

macsak

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2016, 12:09:10 PM »

add air and moisture and get some bacterial action going
Then the pile should heat up once the C:N ratio gets closer to ideal

Am I missing something?

Q

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2016, 12:13:05 PM »
Am I missing something?

Yes...that info is completely false.

Try again.  :grrr:

macsak

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2016, 12:19:56 PM »
Yes...that info is completely false.

Try again.  :grrr:

so then edumacate us, Q
 :worship:

Rocky

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2016, 04:04:04 PM »
Am I missing something?

Air comes from more than tilling.
Container/bin what have you must have holes (heat rises)
Interesting. 

Rocky: What's the purpose for having the lid on and only growing through the holes?
You  must plant your seeds/seedlings in some type of medium (soil, peat, sphagnum moss etc..). The holes hold little aerated cups (forgot the technical term right now) that hold the medium in which you place your seedlings.
The medium absorbs the fertilized water which feeds the seed's/seedlings which grow roots through the medium and cup and down into the fertilized water.
As the water level go's down, the roots grow longer to keep n contact with the water.
phew

Instead of buying the ..  Ahh yes,  PETI POTS !, I used the "bark" from coconut trees to make a little peti pot cone and it worked fine
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Q

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2016, 08:33:50 PM »
so then edumacate us, Q
 :worship:

I could explain it, but I will let the master do so:









macsak

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2016, 08:54:38 PM »
I could explain it, but I will let the master do so:

mahalo for that, Q
but his question was about cold compost -> hot compost
not about soil and crops

Q

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2016, 09:03:06 PM »
mahalo for that, Q
but his question was about cold compost -> hot compost
not about soil and crops

Watch the videos.

blackheart0311

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2016, 11:03:29 PM »
Do they count as college credits?  Maybe for Botany?
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Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2016, 12:24:12 AM »
Watched the video.. pretty cool stuff, Q.  Thanks for sharing!
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yurcarmeean

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2016, 10:59:05 PM »
thanks
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