I have to agree with the others here in regards to the last minute showing and doing this on a work day. The protest that I was at a few years ago was well organized in advanced and held on a Saturday when I could tell my work I was too busy to come in and not reap any dire consequences from doing so. We made a HUGE statement that day and there was media coverage as well as some interaction with the public. I think this is the way we should proceed in the future. I doubt that having a protest on a particular weekday by 20 people would make any larger impact than the 200 we had on a Saturday. I would love to do this with you guys but your timing and day of the week is precluding me from doing so. 

I agree with inspector. Unless we get more than 20 people it would be a waste of time.
To get a large group it would need to be sponsored by hra.

This is not an "organized" event.

You guys want to organize one, start planning and I'll show up.

This is not just a particular weekday. It's the opening day of the legislative session.
So good chance media will be there.

This was an off the cuff great idea by one of our esteemed members that some of us (hopefully a bunch) just jumped on board with.

So far looks like we got at least 9 or 10.

If that number pans out it will definitely have been worth it. Hopefully that number keeps getting bigger.
Strength in numbers.

Glad your coming OF.
Sorry you can't make it Inspector. I'm sure many members can't get off work and we respect that.

I'll be there. Will don may shoulder and belt holster. Coming from Waipahu. So depending on traffic. 10-11am and stay until it is over. Thinking of making me a CCW Hawaii
t-shirt. Anybody know a shirt guy or silk screener.

This is not an "organized" event.

You guys want to organize one, start planning and I'll show up.

This is not just a particular weekday. It's the opening day of the legislative session.
So good chance media will be there.

This was an off the cuff great idea by one of our esteemed members that some of us (hopefully a bunch) just jumped on board with.

So far looks like we got at least 9 or 10.

If that number pans out it will definitely have been worth it. Hopefully that number keeps getting bigger.
Strength in numbers.

Glad your coming OF.
Sorry you can't make it Inspector. I'm sure many members can't get off work and we respect that.

Not trying to discourage nor disparage you from doing this. 

I guess I am just disappointed that I won't be a part of it. 

Make sure you make good legible signs that can be read from a distance. A good handout would be nice as well. 

Good luck with your effort and I hope you get much more than 20 people to show. 

 

Roger that Inspector.   

Wasn't trying to be a dick or anything just emphasizing this is just a last minute great idea and the comments about last minute and how to do it better have got nothing to with the price of pickles right now.

If we can muster support this will be great.
Maybe we can make it an annual thing.

Opening day of Legislature.
This has the potential to be pivotal.

1000+ views and 17 responses ?
Come on guys just take a little extra lunch break. 

..Wasn't trying to be a dick or anything just emphasizing this is just a last minute great idea and the comments about last minute and how to do it better have got nothing to with the price of pickles right now.

No worries, I didn't take it that way.

You guys know that this forum is Monitored by many people/organizations.

After my posting I got an email from another old timer who is, shall we say "politically savvy"

Opening Day is bad, may get lost in the crowd.

POOR turn out = weakness/poor support

May Piss off legislators.

You want a Successful Rally,

Get together with the HRA old timers who Picketed Rey Graulty's fund raisers and made TV news.

During the 90's at the height of the anti 2A legislation HRA got almost 300 Men, Women & Children out to rally at the Capitol.

Pick the time & place to Rally Successfully.

Get Organized, do your homework.
 

You guys know that this forum is Monitored by many people/organizations.

After my posting I got an email from another old timer who is, shall we say "politically savvy"

Opening Day is bad, may get lost in the crowd.

POOR turn out = weakness/poor support

May Piss off legislators.

You want a Successful Rally,

Get together with the HRA old timers who Picketed Rey Graulty's fund raisers and made TV news.

During the 90's at the height of the anti 2A legislation HRA got almost 300 Men, Women & Children out to rally at the Capitol.

Pick the time & place to Rally Successfully.

Get Organized, do your homework.
 

I respect you old guy, and respect what you have done for 2a.  However,  in the short time I have been participating in this movement, I have never seen anything like this ever really organized by the HRA.  Not knocking the HRA in any way, just my observation.  I know the HRA and pacs role is more a legislative lever, so maybe it is very prudent they "keep the door open" if you will...

I know you have called for better proactive protest in the past, why would this day be a bad mark on our cause?   If everyone is civil and professional about it, I can't see a drawback.

Gun control is a hot topic right now, why not take advantage of it?

In a word POLITICS

A small group will be Lost in the crowd on Opening Day.

Will be competing with other groups that want to be heard.

Small showing may indicate to legislators looking that Majority of gun guys don't care.

If you're going to Rally, you want the stage to be yours.

Every one who said they will be there is a Guy.

The Last big HRA Rally at the Capitol I attended had Men, Women & Children show up.

Pick a day & time when Entire families can come.

Make sure to bring the Wife & Kids.

After all, a gun is an Equal Opportunity Protector.

In this day and age, Women and children are at risk.

The Rally should be for them.

I want the legislator to tell me to my face that Women and Children don't deserve Protection.

The Most Dangerous person is a Mother defending her family.

When was the last big HRA rally at the Capitol ?

The last big rally I went to was the national firearms day rally couple of years ago.
And it wasn't organized by the HRA.

I'm just curious.
Seems HRA hasn't organized a rally in the last five years at least.

And Old Guy, I totally respect you.
However, with your comments, suggestions and "politically savvy" friends, are you volunteering to organize a rally the "right" way ?

Are you suggesting we are causing more harm than good and should just shut it down until you can organize a "proper" rally ?

My thinking is at least we are out there doing something proactive, but I could be wrong.
What say you ?

I understand the inconvenience of trying to set things up on a work day.  But you know who wont be there to see us on a weekend?  The legislators. 

small group lost or stands out?  same defeatist attitude as the small turn out day?  hey, we roamed around and did get free eats upstairs though lol   
pics would show consistency over time no matter the numbers.  when the HDF first started nobody showed up for range days.  imagine if Chris just gave up then. 
anyways.  the beauty of this country is our freedoms including to stand alone in protest.  maybe spinning wheels until something big looms, ok, I get that too.
anger them?   they supposed to represent and serve us what in the hell they got to be angry about.  we are the ones that can't get CHL.  we are the ones who can't open / Constitutional carry.  we are the ones going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth again across the island to purchase. we are the ones who have to spend extra money for neutered mags that does nothing about crime in reality puts us at distinct disadvantage against the multiple/crims with unblocked or high cap mags.  we are the ones that have to put up with noise complaints at the range when the answer is allow for suppressors like so many other states can have.  and on and on.

why is 20 some magic number?  want to follow the leftist playbook just pay for protestors and voila 20+

I'd rather have the 6 real people.

When I see hundreds of people protesting in the middle of the week, my first impression is, "That many people don't have jobs?"  Except when I see the word "Union" on their signs ... then it doesn't surprise me!

The producers are always too busy or have too many commitments to attend rallies on a work day.  Politicians and those who have the most to gain from the legislature (unions, special interest groups, unemployed, etc.), are who you tend to find at rallies.

Having said that, just getting one or two people on the news making a well-thought-out comment goes a long way toward attracting public sentiment.  That can have a positive impact on the uninformed masses who get all their news at  6 and 11.

Tom_G's idea is a good one. It deserves to be seen through.

The last rally I remember HRA organizing was in 2013 I believe, and I attended. Were they to organize another, I would attend that too.

They haven't. In fact, they don't even deign to respond when asked for support for something not organized by them.

I, and many others are tired of waiting. We'll take action if HRA or HDF won't.

Notice for this event may be short, the day is inconvenient due to the machinations of a government that doesn't have our best interests at heart. However, in an election year, with a POTUS that is openly hostile to the Constitution and especially the 2nd Amendment, I believe it is nothing short of foolish to fail to get our message out to the people, and especially our legislators.

All it takes for Evil to prevail, is for good men to stand by, and do nothing.

 This is just the beginning.

Next time there is a hurricane or tsunami, I better see people saying they can't go home to prepare because "they have to work".

You know, there are some of us who don't like being in public because it makes us extremely uncomfortable, yet we will still be making the effort because this issue matters.

Thomas Paine said it best:

"THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated."

Whatever is planned and organized. I am in full support of it. You guys rock! If we do have a planned event I'd fly over from the Big Island for it. I'll be monitoring the board to see if any event is organized. Hell I'll even take vacation for it! 

I'm kind of with old guy on this one. I would really prefer me more planned organized one with more numbers and more impact.
 
 What types of signs are you guys thinking of making for this one. Meaning what will they say.?

When I see hundreds of people protesting in the middle of the week, my first impression is, "That many people don't have jobs?"  Except when I see the word "Union" on their signs ... then it doesn't surprise me!

The producers are always too busy or have too many commitments to attend rallies on a work day.  Politicians and those who have the most to gain from the legislature (unions, special interest groups, unemployed, etc.), are who you tend to find at rallies.

Having said that, just getting one or two people on the news making a well-thought-out comment goes a long way toward attracting public sentiment.  That can have a positive impact on the uninformed masses who get all their news at  6 and 11.

Guess we should all wear AK Operators's Union, Local 47-74 shirts then

I'm kind of with old guy on this one. I would really prefer me more planned organized one with more numbers and more impact.
 
 What types of signs are you guys thinking of making for this one. Meaning what will they say.?

So since it's not a big planned event  you don't want to come or won't come?

I'm kind of with old guy on this one. I would really prefer me more planned organized one with more numbers and more impact.
 
 What types of signs are you guys thinking of making for this one. Meaning what will they say.?

First one doesn't mean the last one.
We can do more.

But from 1 comes 2. From 2 comes 3. And from 3 comes the Myriad of things....

Tom_G's idea is a good one. It deserves to be seen through.

The last rally I remember HRA organizing was in 2013 I believe, and I attended. Were they to organize another, I would attend that too.

They haven't. In fact, they don't even deign to respond when asked for support for something not organized by them.

I, and many others are tired of waiting. We'll take action if HRA or HDF won't.

Notice for this event may be short, the day is inconvenient due to the machinations of a government that doesn't have our best interests at heart. However, in an election year, with a POTUS that is openly hostile to the Constitution and especially the 2nd Amendment, I believe it is nothing short of foolish to fail to get our message out to the people, and especially our legislators.

All it takes for Evil to prevail, is for good men to stand by, and do nothing.

 This is just the beginning.

+1

But from 1 comes 2. From 2 comes 3. And from 3 comes the Myriad of things....

HAIL HYDRA