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aieahound

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #60 on: January 05, 2016, 09:54:28 PM »
The Tao begets one ; one begets two; two begets three; three begets myriad things.

Come on folks. We need the support. ( We being the 2A community)  :shaka:

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Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #61 on: January 05, 2016, 10:02:05 PM »
They've fired the first shot already "DOE report reveals 21 students caught with ‘firearms,’ most in elementary, middle schools"  (LIES.  These are not firearms but bb guns, nerf guns and the like)

http://khon2.com/2016/01/05/doe-report-reveals-21-students-caught-with-firearms-most-in-elementary-middle-schools/



    Teachers want action at ‘unsafe’ Pahoa school after spate of violence
    Violent incidents frequent at Hawaii middle, high schools

Nearly twice a month, a child is caught with a firearm at a Hawaii public school.

That’s according to the Department of Education, which is required to report these incidents to the state.

According to a report submitted this week, for the 2014-2015 school year, there were 21 incidents where a firearm was brought to school.

Sixteen involved airguns, while five were classified as “other.”

The report clarifies: “With the revision of Chapter 19, Hawaii Administrative Rules, the definition of ‘firearm’ has been expanded beyond the federal and state laws.”

According to Hawaii Administrative Rules §8-19-2:

    “Firearm” means: (1) Any weapon including but is not limited to a starter gun, shotgun, air guns which includes BB guns, pellet guns, paintball guns, or cross bow or any other instrument which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile;

Every island except Kauai saw some type of firearm show up in a school. Incidents were reported at eight middle schools, eight elementary schools and three high schools.

In all 21 cases, the students were expelled. Read the full report here.

There’s been a gradual decline in incidents since the 2005-2006 school year, which saw 104 incidents, but the numbers are still enough to alarm parents.

“We shouldn’t have guns in schools, even toy guns,” said one parent.

“I would like to see none actually, and I’m wondering where they’re coming up with these guns and how are they getting out of the home,” said another.

Cherise Musselman, a former elementary school teacher, said pellet guns can still be dangerous.

“Where are they getting these guns? In elementary school, that’s kind of more scary, because they don’t have an idea of what death is like or what true harm they can do,” Musselman said.

Last school year, the DOE introduced its “Be Cool and Keep Our School Safe” campaign with reminder sessions held throughout the year. Officials also monitored hot spots to help spot any violent behavior.

One local children’s group says it agrees with what the DOE is doing to keep firearms out of schools.

“In general, we endorse BOE policies because they have kids in mind and we think that the protection of kids should be utmost,” said Jeannine Souki with Hawaii Children’s Action Network.

In a statement, the DOE said:

    “The Department of Education does everything we can to ensure a nurturing, positive environment for our students. Over the years, we have seen fewer and fewer serious discipline incidents, and this legislative report highlights that trend.

    Over the past ten years, we saw the least amount of firearm incidents during the 2014-2015 school year. Of the 21 incidents, none of them included traditional gunpowder based firearms, with 16 incidents involving airguns and five makeshift implements.

    We will continue to work with administrators to implement proactive measures that prevent violence on our campuses. We appreciate the efforts of our teachers, parents and the community in helping us keep all students safe.

Assault Rifle? What I have here is an Anti-Assault Rifle.
Proud Member 2016 2a Day Dozen open holster carry crew yo

Rocky

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #62 on: January 05, 2016, 11:09:56 PM »
   “Firearm” means: (1) Any weapon including but is not limited to a starter gun, shotgun, air guns which includes BB guns, pellet guns, paintball guns, or cross bow or any other instrument which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile;
The spitballs thru BIC pens that have been around since I was kid  fall under this description. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Rocky

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #63 on: January 05, 2016, 11:15:51 PM »


"THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thomas Paine


Fixed it
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Q

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #64 on: January 06, 2016, 01:17:44 AM »
Fixed it

I had it right the first time.  :shaka:

aieahound

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #65 on: January 06, 2016, 09:38:59 AM »
The irony in this thread.

Showing up on a day where every other cause and their mom will be at the Capitol makes very little impact in relation to, oh, say, showing up and testifying at a scheduled, televised public hearing.

But what do I know, right? I'll reserve my input and take my 15 years of lobbying and gov experience elsewhere where it's more appreciated and put to better use.

Unless 2,000 pro-2a people show up on the 20th, it would be more effective to do such a display on a day where none of the other thousand special interest groups show up.

We just don't want to be late to the party.  :D

Like I said previously, this doesn't mean this is the only action we take this year.
Just the start to announce our presence.
Heck, we didn't even organize anything. We Just put out the call.

And don't take your expertise elsewhere. I mean you can share it elsewhere but continue to share it with us too.

dustoff003

Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #66 on: January 06, 2016, 10:04:06 AM »
Household 06 gave her blessing for my absence from work to attend. I submitted my leave request to my supervisor today. Someone bring me a holster please.

For all you folks grumbling if you can do something better do it. If your not gonna show up keep you squelch to yourselves.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2016, 10:40:26 AM by dustoff003 »

aieahound

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #67 on: January 06, 2016, 06:39:33 PM »
Auright ! One more.

I got your holster. :thumbsup:
( That doesn't sound right )

eyeeatingfish

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #68 on: January 06, 2016, 07:24:19 PM »
So what are some sign ideas? I hate protesters who carry signs looking like a 5 year old drew it, gotta look more professional. Gotta.get a head start but.not sure what I would put.

I just had an interesting idea... what about f I brought my 4 year old to attend the rally? Probably couldnt stay as long though.

dustoff003

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #69 on: January 06, 2016, 07:47:37 PM »

So what are some sign ideas? I hate protesters who carry signs looking like a 5 year old drew it, gotta look more professional. Gotta.get a head start but.not sure what I would put.

I just had an interesting idea... what about f I brought my 4 year old to attend the rally? Probably couldnt stay as long though.


I was gonna put

"Defend Yourself Concealed Carry for Hawaii" maybe with a handgun drawing.

"Carry a gun because a cop is too heavy"

"I am a Gun Owner and I vote"

I was also thinking about one with context that ISIS has threatened my life and I am helpless to defend myself.

"Down with the Chief"

"CCW should be at the State Level"

"When seconds count Police are minutes away. CCW"

No cockroach my sign ideas

What were you thinking?

Maybe a small one for your daughter "I wish daddy could protect me"

EFF if you came a lot of us would be happy to meet you and I am sure there will be plenty Uncle's and maybe an Auntie or two to keep an eye on your Keiki.

Q

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #70 on: January 06, 2016, 07:51:17 PM »

I was gonna put

"Defend Yourself Concealed Carry for Hawaii" maybe with a handgun drawing.

"Carry a gun because a cop is too heavy"

"I am a Gun Owner and I vote"

I was also thinking about one with context that ISIS has threatened my life and I am helpless to defend myself.

"Down with the Chief"

"CCW should be at the State Level"

"When seconds count Police are minutes away. CCW"


No cockroach my sign ideas

What were you thinking?

Maybe a small one for your daughter "I wish daddy could protect me"

EFF if you came a lot of us would be happy to meet you and I am sure there will be plenty Uncle's and maybe an Auntie or two to keep an eye on your Keiki.

Ho brah, no steal my sign!  :rofl:


Mine was going to say:

WHEN SECONDS COUNT, HPD IS ONLY MINTUES AWAY
LET ME PROTECT THE PEOPLE I CARE ABOUT UNTIL THE POLICE ARRIVE TO TAKE OVER

*National Average Police Response Time: 10 MINTUES
#RememberMaluniuAve2008
« Last Edit: January 06, 2016, 09:50:02 PM by Q »

tpi001

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #71 on: January 06, 2016, 07:59:02 PM »
If you want to make a big statement, wear the 2A Hawaii shirts and pass out donuts...I'll be the first to contribute some funds to buy the donuts!

But in all seriousness, I bet you'll get more inquiries and TV shots without waving one sign or saying one word. At the very least, 2A supporters could not be misunderstood as crazy gun-toting psychos!

edster48

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #72 on: January 06, 2016, 08:12:37 PM »
GUNS DO THREE THINGS

FUNCTION

FAIL

RUST

VIOLENCE IS FROM THE HEART

DON'T LEAVE US DEFENSLESS AGAINST IT.


Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

mauidog

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #73 on: January 06, 2016, 08:20:29 PM »

GUN SAFETY
COMES FROM
EDUCATION,
     NOT
LEGISLATION
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

bass monkey

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #74 on: January 06, 2016, 08:38:08 PM »
Go along with the HSTA commercials on TV.
Im a firearm owner and part of your community.
Im a hunter and part of this community.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2016, 09:12:14 PM »

I was gonna put

"Defend Yourself Concealed Carry for Hawaii" maybe with a handgun drawing.

"Carry a gun because a cop is too heavy"

"I am a Gun Owner and I vote"

I was also thinking about one with context that ISIS has threatened my life and I am helpless to defend myself.

"Down with the Chief"

"CCW should be at the State Level"

"When seconds count Police are minutes away. CCW"

No cockroach my sign ideas

What were you thinking?

Maybe a small one for your daughter "I wish daddy could protect me"

EFF if you came a lot of us would be happy to meet you and I am sure there will be plenty Uncle's and maybe an Auntie or two to keep an eye on your Keiki.

I am out of town for now and won't know my work schedule till I get back so I can't promise I will come yet.

I was thinking and appropriate sign design could say something to the effect of I shouldn't have to ask for permission to exercise a right but I don't know how to say it concise enough. Something along the lines of the current lawsuit logic involving the State having to prove we don't need the right rather than us proving we do need the right. I don't know how to make that argument fit on a sign. I do like the funny ones you made, cops are too heavy to CCW.
 
 As for my child I was wondering whether or not that might get us more attention. I would have to bribe my kids to keep from whining though.

aieahound

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2016, 09:55:28 PM »
Q,

Ho brah, no steal my sign!  :rofl:

Mine was going to say:

WHEN SECONDS COUNT, HPD IS ONLY ]MINTUES AWAY
LET ME PROTECT THE PEOPLE I CARE ABOUT UNTIL THE POLICE ARRIVE TO TAKE OVER
National Average Police Response Time:10 MINTUES AWAY
]#RememberMaluniuAve2008

I'm gonna steal your sign.
Except mines gonna say minutes.   :D

GUN SAFETY
COMES FROM
EDUCATION,
     NOT
LEGISLATION

MDog, you gonna be there ?  :thumbsup:

mauidog

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2016, 10:32:42 PM »
Q,

I'm gonna steal your sign.
Except mines gonna say minutes.   :D

MDog, you gonna be there ?  :thumbsup:

I can neither confirm nor deny .....

Playing it by ear. 

Has anyone checked the opening day schedule to see when the News Stations might be arriving/leaving the official events?  When the News crews are leaving would be the best time to have the most bodies waving signs, I think.

The more gun-themed clothing, signs, and banners, the more it might attract the news crews, with all the Executive Action stuff happening now.

Someone should also consider having a list of topics, comments, & answers to print and study ahead of time.  Could be helpful if anyone gets a microphone shoved in their face.

Just thinking out loud.  Having a consistent and well-articulated message would look better than a bunch of unprepared, off the cuff responses.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 09:09:06 AM by mauidog »
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

All_rice

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #78 on: January 07, 2016, 03:37:35 AM »
Are we passing flyers out to anyone? Does anyone have something I could make copies of? I also bringing a few people not from the forums , but support 2a
Land of the free, because of the Brave!

Inspector

Re: Support for 2A Rally at Capitol
« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2016, 05:03:10 AM »
I would suggest you have one spokes person that will do the talking for the group. So if the public engages, the news interviews start, or whoever approaches, you have one voice and one message. You will lose all credibility if you have diverse messages. Just a suggestion.  :shaka:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!