If I'm not mistaken did cris Kyle Americas number one sniper got killed by a soldier with ptsd also known to be depressed with mental issues, so giving this lady a gun without checking if she doesn't have mental issues a good thing or a bad thing, I mean what happen to her was unforgivable, I would cut the guys balls off for doing that but is she mentally capable of handling a gun before you give her a gun. She should have a taser so she can taste the guys nuts that will teach him

If I'm not mistaken did cris Kyle Americas number one sniper got killed by a soldier with ptsd also known to be depressed with mental issues, so giving this lady a gun without checking if she doesn't have mental issues a good thing or a bad thing, I mean what happen to her was unforgivable, I would cut the guys balls off for doing that but is she mentally capable of handling a gun before you give her a gun. She should have a taser so she can taste the guys nuts that will teach him

The rate of Incidence of violence among the mentally ill is not much higher than violence among those not diagnosed with any mental or psychological disorder.

So, just having PTSD or depression is in no way a predictor of violence, with or without a gun.

Same argument as not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are radical Muslims.  Do you punish millions by violating their rights because of the bad act of a few?

We already know the majority of US citizens who commit mass murder have Liberal ideological leanings and/or register Democrat.  Should we deny guns to those groups as well?

So when we don't get our gun permit because the doctor say we have ptsd but we still have the right to own guns even though the hospital says no, hmmmm sounds like another law breaker wants a gun without a permit to me

Thank you mainstream media for allowing Pres Obama to switch the focus from his failure to stop terrorism to vilifying the NRA and GOP over gun control.

So when we don't get our gun permit because the doctor say we have ptsd but we still have the right to own guns even though the hospital says no, hmmmm sounds like another law breaker wants a gun without a permit to me

Denying ANY right should require a comprehensive evaluation of the patient, not just a diagnosis of PTSD.  The whole reason we are seeing people flagged for diabetes and divorce counseling is because no one is doing the full evaluation necessary to determine the patient's risk regarding weapons.

If the same percentage of people seeking mental health services turns violent as in the general population, where is the justification for depriving ALL mental health patients of their Constitutional rights?

Good Mauidog comprehensive review that's what Obama wants a comprehensive review of people with mental issues so this lady that got rapped we don't know her mental issues only a comprehensive review witch Obama wants in a way that doesn't hurt you 2nd amendment rights but keep the guns out of crazy people's hands, that's all he wants and your fighting Obama all the way, NRA propaganda

We already know the majority of US citizens who commit mass murder have Liberal ideological leanings and/or register Democrat.  Should we deny guns to those groups as well?

where'd you come up with this ?
It does sound like you're drinking the kool-aid unquestioned.

Very few of the liberal democrats killed based on their political ideology.
A bunch were due to mental illness.
Seung Hi Cho
Lanza
Holmes
Etc.

there are dozens upon dozens of examples of violence that are actually based on conservative ideology.

Like Jerad and Amanda Miller who shot two cops, yelled “The revolution has begun” and draped “Don’t Tread On Me ” flags on their victims. Later, they killed another man.

Like Frazier Miller (no relation that I’m aware of), a former Klansman and White Supremacist who shot up a Jewish community center, killing three people.

Like Wade Page, a Neo-Nazi who walked into a Sikh temple looking to kill Muslims (Neo-Nazis are not known for their intelligence). 6 people die.

Like David Pedersen and his girlfriend, Holly Ann Grigsby who killed 4 people and “were on their way to Sacramento to kill more Jews.”

Like Scott Roeder who walked into a church to murder abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.

Dylan Couch kills 9 at a Black church.

Robert Dear kills 3 at Planned Parenthood clinic.

Extremist Islamists kill 14 in San Bernardino.

And, of course, we can’t forget Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols who blew up a federal building, killing 168 including 19 children.

But I digress.

Good Mauidog comprehensive review that's what Obama wants a comprehensive review of people with mental issues so this lady that got rapped we don't know her mental issues only a comprehensive review witch Obama wants in a way that doesn't hurt you 2nd amendment rights but keep the guns out of crazy people's hands, that's all he wants and your fighting Obama all the way, NRA propaganda

No, Obama is grouping people into pigeon holes based on arbitrary criteria.  He has no interest in trying to do comprehensive reviews on individuals.  He's happier casting a wide net to catch as many people as possible, so he can deny guns to as many people as possible.

Cases in point:  The VA, Social Security and No Fly list. 

If you are a VA or Social Security recipient, and if you have ever allowed another party to manage your finances for any reason, Obama wants you deemed incompetent -- no additional review needed.  Once you are in that net, you lose your 2A rights, even though that group may be the most in need of firearms for self defense if at home alone.

The No Fly list is a secret list, made up of names some bureaucrat decided should not fly.  (1) Since when does being "too dangerous to fly" mean "too risky to own a gun?"  30% of the people on the list don't meet the stated criteria for being on the list to start with.  (2)  There is no due process to defend against being on the list.  You don't have to have done anything bad ever, just have to be associated with someone that makes some analyst believe you can't fly.  (3)  While flying is not a right, owning a gun is.  You can't deprive someone of a right without just cause.  Regardless of the fear someone has about you flying, it doesn't equate  to "too risky for a gun". 

Next, they will say all diabetics can't have guns because a sudden drop in blood sugar can trigger loss of control and judgment. 

where'd you come up with this ?
It does sound like you're drinking the kool-aid unquestioned.

there are dozens upon dozens of examples of violence that are actually based on conservative ideology.

Like Jerad and Amanda Miller who shot two cops, yelled “The revolution has begun” and draped “Don’t Tread On Me ” flags on their victims. Later, they killed another man.

Like Frazier Miller (no relation that I’m aware of), a former Klansman and White Supremacist who shot up a Jewish community center, killing three people.

Like Wade Page, a Neo-Nazi who walked into a Sikh temple looking to kill Muslims (Neo-Nazis are not known for their intelligence). 6 people die.

Like David Pedersen and his girlfriend, Holly Ann Grigsby who killed 4 people and “were on their way to Sacramento to kill more Jews.”

Like Scott Roeder who walked into a church to murder abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.

Dylan Couch kills 9 at the Black church.

Robert Dear kills 3 at Planned Parenthood clinic.

Extremist Islamists kill 14 in San Bernardino.

And, of course, we can’t forget Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols who blew up a federal building, killing 168 including 19 children.

But I digress.

Dylan Couch was, just like the Neo-Nazi and anti-Semites you mentioned, not a Conservative.  He was a racist.  Maybe you think those two types are inseparable?

And many of the ones you list are not mass shootings in which more that 3 were killed.  I said "mass shootings".

If you believe those racists were "Conservatives", then YOU are the one drinking the Kool-Aid!!

Funny. Not one thing to back up your statement about the majority of mass murderers have liberal ideological leanings and/or register democrat.

Or about how mental health is not a factor.

Same old distract and attack.

OK I'll concede your examples.

Still
Seung hi cho
Loughner
Holmes
Lanza
All Mental health with a history of serious mental health problems
(Although Lanza technically stole his mom's gun)

Oklahoma bombing
Definitely conservative
And more killed than all of the above.
(And you didn't say mass shootings, you said mass murder)

“As a survivor of rape, and now a mother to two small children — you know, it seems like being able to purchase a firearm of my choosing, and being able to carry that wherever my — me and my family are — it seems like my basic responsibility as a parent at this point,” Kimberly Corban told the president.

“I have been unspeakably victimized once already, and I refuse to let that happen again to myself or my kids. So why can’t your administration see that these restrictions that you’re putting to make it harder for me to own a gun, or harder for me to take that where I need to be is actually just making my kids and I less safe?” she asked.

Obama responded that none of the measures he implemented via executive order would prevent her from owning a gun and then explained how she’d be worse off with a gun.

“There’s always the possibility that that firearm in a home leads to a tragic accident,” he responded. “You certainly would like to make it a little harder for that assailant to have also have had a gun. You certainly would want to make sure that if he gets released, that he now can’t do what he did to you to somebody else and it’s going to be easier for us to prevent him from getting a gun if there is a strong background system in place.”

Corban, who told the Washington Post that she was raped for two hours in her apartment when she was a sophomore at the University of Northern Colorado in 2006, was not satisfied with President Obama’s answer


“I would say it was more of a non-response. He kind of dodged the question,” she told the Post.

Mr. Soetoro claims the woman is better off without a gun. 
so its clear he does not believe anyone in America should own a gun.  like he has said before and will always believe.
and he says that it will make it harder for the rapist to get a gun, so problem solved.  only thing is a rapist doesnt need a gun to rape someone.  and it was never stated that her rapist had a gun.
that was never the question whether the rapist had a gun, but Soetoro changed it around.
but a woman or weak person will benefit from having a gun to even the odds in certain cases, when warranted.


also, all questions were screened before they were asked.
so its all political, all showbiz.
smoke and mirrors.

its not about making our children safer, bc all this bs wont do anything to make anyone safer
its about a political party playing politics and setting themselves up for election later this year
if he really wanted to make us safer, he wouldn't have let so much of our military arms fall in the hands of all those terrorists in the middle east
without all our weapons in their hands, they wouldnt have all the power they have now.
soetoro has no problem arming our enemies, at the same time he wants to disarm the US citizens.


smoke and mirrors.

^+1 and well said

Biggest problem I see is he thinks he's the King.

Obama wants the rest of the nation to go through Hawaii go through and do we still have our guns, I think we do and are we still buying guns, I think we still are, Mauidog you still go through the process and have you're second amendment rights been violated I think no if you haven't broken the law, NRA propaganda. If Obama says yes NRA says no if Obama says everyone should own a hand gun in America NRA says no because Obama wants it that way, this is where we as individual's must think for ourselves must look,at the issues individually because sometimes the NRA pushes their own agenda just like Obama, don't be brainwash and say I agree with everything the NRA says or what Obama says, don't get me wrong, the NRA have its good to by up holding our 2n amendment rights but they have their faults to, and you still gotta go through Hawaii laws if you want a gun so it's moot at this point for you because everybody in Hawaii is going through this just that the mainland doesn't want to go through this, I say if I gotta go through this crap the rest of the country should go through this because I did "my own agenda" I still think I give up my second amendment right for no taxes that's a good deal.

Funny. Not one thing to back up your statement about the majority of mass murderers have liberal ideological leanings and/or register democrat.

Or about how mental health is not a factor.

Same old distract and attack.

OK I'll concede your examples.

Still
Seung hi cho
Loughner
Holmes
Lanza
All Mental health with a history of serious mental health problems
(Although Lanza technically stole his mom's gun)

Oklahoma bombing
Definitely conservative
And more killed than all of the above.
(And you didn't say mass shootings, you said mass murder)

No, I'm working.  I don't have time to educate you on every item you happen to have time to Google.  I'm not avoiding the details, just answering the comment in general.

And for the women who got raped correct me if I'm wrong but ain't the mainland anyone over 18 can get a taser gun, I say every women should have a taser gun and mace but for her it was after the fact like so many things that go on after the fact sad to say but that's why we debate these things to bring awareness, so new ideas and common ground can become us as human beings and as citizens of America where we can compromise and laugh cry cheer and bejoyfull " shit I sound like a politician,you guys in 2ahawaii make me sound like a politician " now I gotta wash my mouth out with soap

And for the women who got raped correct me if I'm wrong but ain't the mainland anyone over 18 can get a taser gun, I say every women should have a taser gun and mace but for her it was after the fact like so many things that go on after the fact sad to say but that's why we debate these things to bring awareness, so new ideas and common ground can become us as human beings and as citizens of America where we can compromise and laugh cry cheer and bejoyfull " shit I sound like a politician,you guys in 2ahawaii make me sound like a politician "

I think they should double your dose of Ritalin.

So ren you saying women shouldn't have some kind of protection against people with bad intentions

Obama wants the rest of the nation to go through Hawaii go through and do we still have our guns, I think we do and are we still buying guns, I think we still are, Mauidog you still go through the process and have you're second amendment rights been violated I think no if you haven't broken the law, NRA propaganda. If Obama says yes NRA says no if Obama says everyone should own a hand gun in America NRA says no because Obama wants it that way, this is where we as individual's must think for ourselves must look,at the issues individually because sometimes the NRA pushes their own agenda just like Obama, don't be brainwash and say I agree with everything the NRA says or what Obama says, don't get me wrong, the NRA have its good to by up holding our 2n amendment rights but they have their faults to, and you still gotta go through Hawaii laws if you want a gun so it's moot at this point for you because everybody in Hawaii is going through this just that the mainland doesn't want to go through this, I say if I gotta go through this crap the rest of the country should go through this because I did "my own agenda" I still think I give up my second amendment right for no taxes that's a good deal.

This post shows a lot about the way you think. It's a very self-centered point of view and does not see the 2nd Amendment as a right, only as a privilege.

Saying things like "if I gotta do so-and-so, then every one should have to do that," shows just that. It isn't about defending the right, just about pleasing you.

If Obama said everyone should have a gun, the NRA would NOT say the opposite. That just shows how much against the NRA you are. Yes, people need to think for themselves, but they aren't only about "opposing Obama."

It's easy to see why you would give up the 2nd Amendment for not having to pay taxes. It's about you.

So ren you saying women shouldn't have some kind of protection against people with bad intentions

No. I said that you should take more Ritalin.