ISIS IN HAWAII (Read 40324 times)

Bushido

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2016, 08:07:45 PM »
1. create chaos and terror
2. yes
3. yes
4. NO!

Pretty much the same!

There was a discussion this morning on Island 98.5fm about open/concealed carry in this state. I'm amazed that so many felt we are "safe" in this state and don't need it,

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Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2016, 11:43:57 PM »
Well, there's the one mosque located in Manoa valley. If they're ISIS sympathizers here, chances are some of them attend that mosque.

Case in point. Here's a Muslim that has been rejected by the mosque leader(s): http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/4351/Brookings-Muslims-expel-reformer-from-Manoa-mosque-claim-Arabs-discovered-Hawaii.aspx

from that article:
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By way of proof, Hakim said the names Hawaii and Honolulu came from Arabic.  Hawaii derives from hawa, or the trade winds that brought the Arabs, Honolulu from huni, which means “here,” and lulu, which means “pearls,” or “here are the pearls,” a phrase associated with the islands because of the abundance of pearls there.  A wise leader in the native language is called hakim, the Arabic word for a ruler or leader….

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yeah right.  you hear that Hawaiians, trying to rewrite the history of the islands.  arabs first, not.  I couldn't stand reading any more of this.  if they think we're going to submit to them or their bizarre cult they are very mistaken.



I  have heard multiple sources proclaim that ISIS is in all 50 states.  If so, I have a few questions for you.

- they said it themselves that they have cells in all 50 states and you posted about their mosque in Manoa.  'nuff said.
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Aegis808

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2016, 11:51:03 PM »
everyone knows Korea discovered Hawaii first.

mauidog

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2016, 11:57:16 PM »
everyone knows Korea discovered Hawaii first.

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Voyagers from the Marquesas discovered the Hawaiian Islands 1,600 years ago. It was the Polynesian mariners’ intimacy with the sea that enabled them to use a number of subtle clues for navigation: clouds, water color and taste, wave patterns, currents, presence of seabirds, fish, and plants, and the position of stars and planets.  Harold Gatty, the aviation pioneer whom Charles Lindbergh called the “Prince of Navigators,” suggested that it was birds that led ancient mariners to Hawaii. As Rachel Carson writes in The Sea Around Us (192):

Students of primitive navigation believe that the migration of birds had meaning for the Polynesians, and that they learned much from watching the flocks that gathered each year in the spring and fall, launched out over the ocean, and returned later out of the emptiness into which they had vanished. Harold Gatty believes the Hawaiians may have found their islands by following the spring migration of the golden plover from Tahiti to the Hawaiian chain, as the birds returned to the North American mainland.

http://www.sterlingbirds.com/Leskiw/Discovery%20of%20Hawaiian%20Islands.html
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Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2016, 12:14:45 AM »
i forgot to provide some background

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Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2016, 12:21:17 AM »
lol yeah there was a lot of butt hurt in SF when they declared pasta originated in Italy not China. 
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Q

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2016, 01:07:51 AM »
from that article:
yeah right.  you hear that Hawaiians, trying to rewrite the history of the islands.  arabs first, not.  I couldn't stand reading any more of this.  if they think we're going to submit to them or their bizarre cult they are very mistaken.



I  have heard multiple sources proclaim that ISIS is in all 50 states.  If so, I have a few questions for you.

- they said it themselves that they have cells in all 50 states and you posted about their mosque in Manoa.  'nuff said.

If anyone 'discovered' Hawaii originally, it was the Spanish in the 1400s, who have a detailed map of the Hawaiian islands from that time period. If not the Spanish, then the Chinese, who set sail in the late 1400s/early 1500s and actually reached the shores of North America.


How could arabs have discovered Hawaii before discovering all the landmasses in between the oceans and Hawaii? RETARDED.

hvybarrels

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2016, 02:47:11 AM »
My plan is to make sure my smoke detectors are in good working order, practice defensive driving, and keep processed food to a minimum because worrying over statistically insignificant phenomena is a waste of time.
The problem governments are trying to solve is the existence of your freedom.

Q

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2016, 03:43:19 AM »
My plan is to make sure my smoke detectors are in good working order, practice defensive driving, and keep processed food to a minimum because worrying over statistically insignificant phenomena is a waste of time.

I'm sure people during the boston bombing thought it was 'statistically insignificant' before they were blown up. 

Pretty sure the people in San Bernadino never thought that a fellow co-worker would come back to a party and light them up as well.

Guess only those who know the importance of eternal vigilance will remain the only individuals who understand.

Q

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2016, 04:19:26 AM »
Meanwhile, when everyone was joking around about how there are no potential threats to Hawaii:

https://cqrcengage.com/act/app/document/11262575?utm_content=buffer75f09&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Izanagi

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2016, 07:59:20 AM »
http://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/what-suspicious-activity

http://www.dhs.gov/how-do-i/report-suspicious-activity

what's to stop someone from going beyond that list and reporting people for other things?  or what's to stop some dumbass from reporting people off of lies?
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oldfart

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2016, 08:39:14 AM »
what's to stop someone from going beyond that list and reporting people for other things?  or what's to stop some dumbass from reporting people off of lies?
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Nothing can stop other people from reporting whatever they want, so don't worry about it.
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I like to joke around these threads, but really....some people just get way too serious and paranoid about stuff you can't control.
Consider this...
If you are in constant dreadful fear about terrorism or government conspiracies, you will never have a happy life and the bad guys have already won the battle.
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And btw, if you think I live my life in condition white, you would be wrong.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2016, 08:45:22 AM by oldfart »
What, Me Worry?

Jl808

ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2016, 09:37:19 AM »
Whoa Izanagi.  Where did that come from?

Please re-read oldfart's post and your response to see if you guys were talking about the same thing.

You're right though... dumbasses can make false reports. This has the bad smell of "snitching on your neighbors".  But I don't think that's what oldfaft was saying in his post.
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king-9

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2016, 09:53:34 AM »
what's to stop someone from going beyond that list and reporting people for other things?  or what's to stop some dumbass from reporting people off of lies?

There is nothing to stop paranoid mofos from reporting others based on lies or something that was totally uncalled for. Cops been to my house because a neighbor said one of my friends parked to close to his driveway. With that said, we cannot control what other people do.  But I agree with oldfart that we shouldn't go crazy worrying about what's going to happen next. IMO  I think one of the things we can do is keep trying to make headway into being able to carry and protect ourselves in the hopefully unilikely event that we have to....

People don't believe that Hawaii doesn't need CC/OC laws just because we have one of the lowest if not the lowest gun related incidents in the country weather it be accidental/crime. But I was made to believe that the like minded people in this forum was (to use the term lightly) "fighting" to change laws like that.

eyeeatingfish

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2016, 10:18:53 AM »
I'm sure people during the boston bombing thought it was 'statistically insignificant' before they were blown up. 

Pretty sure the people in San Bernadino never thought that a fellow co-worker would come back to a party and light them up as well.

Guess only those who know the importance of eternal vigilance will remain the only individuals who understand.

Vigilance only reduces the risk, it does not eliminate it. One would need to be hyper vigilant which isn't realistic because it wears on the brain.

Not saying vigilance isn't good of course but it has its limits.

oldfart

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2016, 11:52:20 AM »
Whoa Izanagi.  Where did that come from?

Please re-read oldfart's post and your response to see if you guys were talking about the same thing.

You're right though... dumbasses can make false reports. This has the bad smell of "snitching on your neighbors".  But I don't think that's what oldfaft was saying in his post.
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Ok, I saw the topic from the reportee point of view and izanagi was looking at the reporter point of view.
I do agree that it is bad for people to snitch for no reason, but there is still nothing you can do to stop someone from doing that until it turns into a harrassment case.
What, Me Worry?

Drakiir84

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2016, 01:14:32 PM »
Baseless reporting can indeed be a problem and that's why the state is usually required to build a case based on actual facts after acquiring warrants.  One workaround is the bullshit TRO that any individual can take out on another individual to have all their firearms and ammunition confiscated.  This is an issue that the HRA has brought up to legislators under the premise that your firearms can be confiscated without any evidence of wrongdoing and could therefore also be used by an unsavory character to disarm their intended victim. 

The best defense against the first scenario is to not be a terrorist but I definitely agree with Izanagi that individuals wasting city resources by making multiple baseless accusations should be subject to a fine.
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mauidog

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2016, 01:19:57 PM »
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Ok, I saw the topic from the reportee point of view and izanagi was looking at the reporter point of view.
I do agree that it is bad for people to snitch for no reason, but there is still nothing you can do to stop someone from doing that until it turns into a harrassment case.

We don't live in a "prevention" society.  We live in a litigious and recovery society.

Dude ruins your life, you eat PB&J for 2 years while spending all your assets getting a judgement against the dude.  Then you make HIS life hell while you collect what the judge awarded you -- and you get back what the lawyers earned from you as well..

No guarantees, but it's the system we live with.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

eyeeatingfish

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2016, 02:53:54 PM »
Baseless reporting can indeed be a problem and that's why the state is usually required to build a case based on actual facts after acquiring warrants. 

That is a very good point. In court an anonymous witness is not as strong in developing the reasonable suspicion or probable cause. An anonymous complaint doesn't have the same weight as one made where the complainant is known.

Having said that, we would be at a disadvantage if we eliminated anonymous complaints because often there are people who would refrain from reporting things they should report if they couldn't retain their anonymity.

Izanagi

Re: ISIS IN HAWAII
« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2016, 02:49:12 AM »
ha.  <loving> mods deleted the posts.

blah blah rights, blah blah freedom, blah blah constitution.  All <loving> full of <good>.

<loving> hypocrites.

Just taking care of some of the language. Have a good day -2aH
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