Show me the money (Read 11108 times)

Rocky

Show me the money
« on: January 15, 2016, 05:56:05 PM »
    Last week I tried to cash what I considered a "moderate but substantial" check at the bank where the check was drawn.
I'm not talking down payment of a house here, but over $10K
I needed the cash for a pending transaction.  ::)

    Said they didn't have enough.  :wtf:

     When I said 'you're a bank and you don't have this much cash ( loud enough for the 5 people in line to hear) ?
They replied " well maybe, but we'd have to pay you all in $20 bills (that would be just short of an 8") stack of bills). :crazy: :grrr: and more  :wtf:
"Well you can open an account." :wacko:

    OK, I go to the MAIN branch off of King St.
"Nope, we don't have that much cash on hand". :wtf:
"Well you can open an account."  :wacko:
Tell them why would I open an account when I wouldn't be able to get my cash out !  :crazy:
   
    Went to my bank where I have more than enough to cover the check, and after a bit more haggling, I mange to get the bulk amount of cash (minus a 25% deposit ).  :grrr:

    This kind of confirms what I've recently read about statements from Scotland banks the current events happening with the bearish Dow and S&P, plunging oil prices, China  (the bear aka the new JP Morgan) the rise in gold and silver etc...
SELL, SELL, SELL ! ! !  :shake:  :shake:  :shake:  :shake:

    May want to grab a few bucks out of the bank, empty your safe deposit box, restock them dry goods then sit down and start reloading all that empty brass you got laying around. :thumbsup:

Elections coming up.  :popcorn:

JMHO
 :shaka:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

djsmiles808

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2016, 06:11:39 PM »
That sucks.
During a collapse do they have control of what's in your safety box?

ren

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2016, 06:18:32 PM »
Deeds Not Words

Q

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2016, 06:29:29 PM »
That sucks.
During a collapse do they have control of what's in your safety box?

Yes.

The government reserves the right to confiscate anything in safety boxes.

edster48

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2016, 07:51:22 PM »
It's become mostly electronic now. Easier for the banks, since they don't have to worry about transporting, counting and securing all that dirty, heavy money.

Easier for the government too. Especially since the banks were basically forced to roll over after the subprime mess and allow the government access to everything to avoid going belly up. A withdrawal of as little as 5k, from your own account, will raise a flag. You can then be questioned as to why you want so much, of your own money, and for what purpose. The line used to be 10k, but the government, citing "the war on drugs", felt that any substantial cash withdrawal should be considered suspect.

Gone are the days when you could just access your cash without institutional or government interference. Not "having enough" cash on hand is simply a delaying tactic, to keep it out of your hands until it can be reported.
Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

Q

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2016, 08:12:31 PM »
It's become mostly electronic now. Easier for the banks, since they don't have to worry about transporting, counting and securing all that dirty, heavy money.

Easier for the government too. Especially since the banks were basically forced to roll over after the subprime mess and allow the government access to everything to avoid going belly up. A withdrawal of as little as 5k, from your own account, will raise a flag. You can then be questioned as to why you want so much, of your own money, and for what purpose. The line used to be 10k, but the government, citing "the war on drugs", felt that any substantial cash withdrawal should be considered suspect.

Gone are the days when you could just access your cash without institutional or government interference. Not "having enough" cash on hand is simply a delaying tactic, to keep it out of your hands until it can be reported.

Yup, just confirmed this.

FBI will now be investigating your withdrawal

Inspector

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2016, 08:00:21 AM »
I am not going to say the economy cannot falter. I won't say that what happened in the Great Depression cannot happen again. Nor can I say that what is currently happening is going to cause a world wide meltdown. What I will say is that at this time we are in what we call a correction in the market and our economy. People panic way too easily these days. While I can't say I blame them we are just going through a slow down at this time. It is something that happens every few years as our economy ebbs and flows. That could change and things could certainly get worse. But right now we are not in any danger of banks closing, government take overs, etc. The markets are much more volatile these days so swings back and forth are larger than they used to be. And that can scare people.

I am no longer in the market. I don't have the stomach for the wilder swings any more. I feel our economy has been artificially kept depressed by our administration. So now the conspiracy theorist in me is saying that the administration is allowing this to happen at this time because Obama wants to cause national unrest. If he can claim Marshall Law in the U.S. He will continue to stay president for the next 4 years. Just throwing this out there for discussion.  :crazy:

SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Rocky

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2016, 08:15:32 AM »
That sucks.
During a collapse do they have control of what's in your safety box?
Yes, simply by closing their doors.
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Rocky

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2016, 08:16:03 AM »
Yes.

The government reserves the right to confiscate anything in safety boxes.
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

s197

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2016, 08:27:32 AM »
Individual banks don't carry a lot of cash on hand, you need to let them know in advance if you want a lot of cash. It's a safety precaution as branches don't have or need the means to store large amounts.

The money is here, they keep it in a central processing location which is a 100 times more secure. Trust me, the cash is here. Have you seen a pallet of $50,000 in quarters? I have. When you see millions of dollars in cash you realize how ridiculous it is to have that lying around.

I'm not rich but have had the opportunity to tour some "vaults." You should,, however, keep some cash on hand for emergencies. Piling a whole bunch under your mattress isn't a good idea.

Rocky

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2016, 08:41:16 AM »
I am not going to say the economy cannot falter. I won't say that what happened in the Great Depression cannot happen again. Nor can I say that what is currently happening is going to cause a world wide meltdown. What I will say is that at this time we are in what we call a correction in the market and our economy. People panic way too easily these days. While I can't say I blame them we are just going through a slow down at this time. It is something that happens every few years as our economy ebbs and flows. That could change and things could certainly get worse. But right now we are not in any danger of banks closing, government take overs, etc. The markets are much more volatile these days so swings back and forth are larger than they used to be. And that can scare people.

I am no longer in the market. I don't have the stomach for the wilder swings any more. I feel our economy has been artificially kept depressed by our administration. So now the conspiracy theorist in me is saying that the administration is allowing this to happen at this time because Obama wants to cause national unrest. If he can claim Marshall Law in the U.S. He will continue to stay president for the next 4 years. Just throwing this out there for discussion.  :crazy:

    :wave: Inspector.

   Lot of optimism from a Realtor.
Hawaii's market has been VERY predictable since the 50's
Can you say our real estate market is comparable to the previous 10  yr cyclical swings of the mid 60's 70's 80's, 90's, and 2005 (LOVED THAT ONE !)  ?
We're already a year or more in and even though there is  "product", sales are no where comparable to the past, even with the currently acceptable  :wacko: interest rates.

   A lot of my post was blowing off steam at not being able to get MY cash  :grrr: and warning others of the same. :shake:
(FYI it was a check cut from an escrow co.)
If 11 of us went to the bank to withdraw $5k each, it may be difficult for the 11th person.
Like 85% -90% of "wealth" is now electronic so even a mere power outage stops you from getting cash.

   Anybody on Oahu run short of cash when the Big Island Earthquake knocked out our power for a week ?
Remember banks closed, no ATM's,stores unable to accept CC ( no, not that CC,  :rofl: credit Cards) !

Just saying you might not want to take that jug filled with pocket change to the bank.  :geekdanc:


“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

dogman

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2016, 08:57:56 AM »
Individual banks don't carry a lot of cash on hand, you need to let them know in advance if you want a lot of cash. It's a safety precaution as branches don't have or need the means to store large amounts.
This is nothing new. Ten years ago I couldn't get eight grand in cash. The teller told me I need to call ahead so they can have the cash in hand.

Inspector

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2016, 11:54:42 AM »
    :wave: Inspector.

   Lot of optimism from a Realtor.
Hawaii's market has been VERY predictable since the 50's
Can you say our real estate market is comparable to the previous 10  yr cyclical swings of the mid 60's 70's 80's, 90's, and 2005 (LOVED THAT ONE !)  ?
We're already a year or more in and even though there is  "product", sales are no where comparable to the past, even with the currently acceptable  :wacko: interest rates.
Hi Rocky  :wave:
I apologize as I was not clear when I spoke about the market. I was referring to the stock market, not the real estate market. I am precluded from giving opinions about the real estate market since I am a licensed agent.

   A lot of my post was blowing off steam at not being able to get MY cash  :grrr: and warning others of the same. :shake:
(FYI it was a check cut from an escrow co.)
If 11 of us went to the bank to withdraw $5k each, it may be difficult for the 11th person.
Like 85% -90% of "wealth" is now electronic so even a mere power outage stops you from getting cash.
I realized you were blowing off steam. I believe I withdrew more than $5k from my bank a couple of years ago and I remember her asking me if hundreds are okay. Do you think it might be partially due to your not having an account with that bank?

   Anybody on Oahu run short of cash when the Big Island Earthquake knocked out our power for a week ?
Remember banks closed, no ATM's,stores unable to accept CC ( no, not that CC,  :rofl: credit Cards) !
I moved here not to long after that occurred so I did not experience that.

Just saying you might not want to take that jug filled with pocket change to the bank.  :geekdanc:
I agree it is always prudent to have some cash on hand in an emergency.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

mauidog

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2016, 12:13:03 PM »
One of the reasons banks started implementing controls on large cash withdrawals is identity theft.  Once the withdrawal is done, the cash is untraceable.  At least a bank check can be canceled before cashing or creates a trail to follow.

Also, elderly get scammed all the time.  Banks ask why you are taking out over $5K in case you have been scammed into making an "investment" guaranteed to return 300% in 6 months.  Check how many people lose their entire retirement savings going after something that's TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.  These scams always require cash ... go figure!

It's your money, and what you want to do is none of the bank's business (within the law).  But, that doesn't override their desire to keep customers legit and safe.  No reason to get up in arms over their questions.  Either answer, or don't.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

Q

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2016, 12:41:35 PM »
From what my friend (who works at a bank) said:



The main reason why there are 5,000-10,000 limits are due to drug trafficking.

If you deposit a large amount, they want to know where it comes from.

If you withdraw a large amount, they want to know where it's going.


Friend is also used to be a economist, and he said it's been policy for quite some time; nothing to worry about with regards to the economic collapse.

mauidog

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2016, 01:05:08 PM »
From what my friend (who works at a bank) said:



The main reason why there are 5,000-10,000 limits are due to drug trafficking.

If you deposit a large amount, they want to know where it comes from.

If you withdraw a large amount, they want to know where it's going.


Friend is also used to be a economist, and he said it's been policy for quite some time; nothing to worry about with regards to the economic collapse.

The drug-dealer rules for banks started with the war on drugs in the 80s.  It's also one of the reasons you have to declare amounts over $10K when flying.  People buying drugs for cash and smuggling the drugs back will have to get the money to the buyer somehow.

After 9/11, banks require positive ID to open an account.  A false name prevents LE from tracking finances of suspected terrorists.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

Tom_G

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2016, 04:04:07 PM »
I've never wanted to run down to the bank and make a $10K withdrawal so badly in my life!!!
The difference between theory and reality is that, in theory, there is no difference between theory and reality.

Sodie

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2016, 06:07:44 PM »
I've never wanted to run down to the bank and make a $10K withdrawal so badly in my life!!!

eyeeatingfish

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2016, 12:22:08 AM »
Yes.

The government reserves the right to confiscate anything in safety boxes.

Not doubting you or anything, but do you have anything to support that? And I mean in a legal way, not just some abusive government take whatever they want way.

Q

Re: Show me the money
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2016, 01:05:55 AM »
Not doubting you or anything, but do you have anything to support that? And I mean in a legal way, not just some abusive government take whatever they want way.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4832471

http://www.creators.com/lifestylefeatures/business-and-finance/taking-stock/keeping-your-safe-deposit-box-as-safe-as-possible.html

http://www.washingtonsavings.net/personal-services/safe-deposit-boxes/FAQs-about-safe-deposit-boxes

http://www.infowars.com/department-of-homeland-security-can-seize-gold-silver-guns-in-safety-deposit-boxes/

And that's just a few.




Would be interested in learning what your counter argument would be, but I already suspect it will consist of the following:

- We are wrong to hide stuff from the government
- The IRS is a good organization that benefits America
- How the government would NEVER abuse it's power to confiscate items from a safety deposit box

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