http://www1.honolulu.gov/mayor/apec.htm

The City recognizes and respects the First Amendment right of individuals and groups to speak about APEC. Some people may protest, some may demonstrate in favor of APEC, all are welcome to express their views peacefully. Procedures have been established to protect the APEC participants. Obviously their security is our top priority, and we will work with our federal counterparts to insure that. Outside of security zones, the City welcomes and encourages the peaceful exercise of First Amendment rights, just as we always do. Should some groups or individuals engage in unlawful behavior -- which we do not expect -- we are prepared for that as well. Our goal is to protect the safety of the APEC participants as well as those engaging in lawful activities. 

For those who wish to express themselves peacefully and lawfully, we will be working on our websites to make sure the public has clear information about how to go about lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights, and how to obtain permits should they need or want one. We will also be trying to keep the public informed about the street and park areas that are being reserved by HPD and other city and federal agencies. We've been working with the ACLU to make sure those planning to protest, as well as our agencies, are well-informed about the legal rights and obligations of those exercising their First Amendment rights.

We have learned from the experience of other cities hosting such events that sometimes there are individuals whose goals are not peaceful, and whose methods are not lawful. Again, we do not expect that here, but we are prepared for that, too. If there are incidents that require processing through the court system, the police and prosecutors are ready, and we understand the judiciary is preparing for that as well. One strategy on the mainland is to taunt law enforcement officers into over-reaction. That will not happen here. But we will react appropriately to any individuals who disturb the peace or break the law.

The security zones are, as far as I know, areas they dictated entirely on their own and not something agreed to with the public; even then, the bolded tells me that within the security zones, the City does not encourage nor welcome the peaceful exercise of the First Amendment right.

I heard an official say on the news that the security zones can be viewed "a city within the city".  So I think they'll scrutinize anyone entering the inside city. 

I remember when the ADB (Asian Development Bank) came down here what, like 11 years or more ago?  I actually bought a video camera and headed out there to film what was going on.  Back then the Convention Center was brand new and all it would have taken was ONE rock...or one something that potentially could have set things off.  This was also within a six month period of rioting in Seattle and Toronto where the anarchist were full blown working to basically destroy the local businesses there.

Personally, I don't mind that they put in a few extra restrictions for the safety and protection of Honolulu.  I recall several businesses near Ala Moana boarded up...like You Hungry.  There was an initial demonstration at Ala Moana Park...that then walked over in front of the Convention Center.  From there the Hawaiians did a spiel, then others spoke... went on for a hour or two.  No rioting.  Then the protestors (and myself) paraded down Kalakaua to Kapiolani Park...under police escort.  Cops were lined up on both sides of the street walking along the protestors...  Nothing bad happened.  Although one protestor did come up and block my camera asking who I was... then left after I gave him an answer that he probably didn't understand.  I don't think he was all that important where the government was trying to track down who was who.

Overall, I think the C&C did a "decent" job in allowing the protestors to protest.  Allowing the Hawaiian rights groups to fluff their feathers, and provided a safe thoroughfare for a parade/protest. 

APEC is a little different...since it's multiple days.  However, again though, we are following a series of international protests and unrest (Occupy Wall Street, London Riots, all the Mid-East riots).  I also know a number of the local protestors (vs. UARC, vs. Strykers, and the lead attorney(s) for Kauai and Maui vs. the Super Ferry, and a number of the Hawaiian rights folks).  My hope is that the mainland anarchist choose NOT to come here (cost prohibitive?) and even if they do, the locals here will eat them alive.  I'd almost be tempted to see what would happen if any of them approached some of the Hawaiian groups here...heh.

Regardless, depending where they allow the protests and demonstrations, depends if anyone's first amendment rights are violated.  Regardless though, public health, safety, and welfare USUALLY takes precedence over almost all other Constitutional rights. 

 The OWS, protests, and anything that comes forth will be good.  What is funny is the permitting section, maybe the ACLU will balls up and finally fix the unconstitutional law.  Oh well, even if not - I will be down there with video recording equipment.

Well, if I'm able to, I'll text you after I try to go through their security checkpoint with a BF camera attached to my bike helmet.

I recommend streaming with a phone and bambuser.com

I recommend streaming with a phone and bambuser.com

Speaking from experience?

Quote from: Funtimes on October 23, 2011, 11:43:50 PM

I recommend streaming with a phone and bambuser.com

Speaking from experience?

Of course! I've had officers attempt to grab my cell phone so I couldn't record them.  Bambuser is great because it records and streams with the screen locked, with no other application does.  This way I can lock the phone, and if anything happens to me or the phone the evidence is already published online.

Thanks for the bambuster heads up. Live streaming is the way to go, but can't be 100% relied on now that wireless networks and internet censorship is taking off on it's latest nefarious phase. Also don't believe the hype on the Seattle protests. There were widespread reports of provocateur actions that let the cops off the leash and turned a peaceful protest into a riot. Do not be fooled that it cannot happen here. I might be called in to work during APEC but seriously considering taking an outer islands trip instead. USA is falling apart and needs another war to maintain status quo now that we are supposedly out of Iraq in 2 months. They already allowed one Pearl Harbor to happen here in order to pull us into ww2 and I don't want to be standing around when history repeats itself.

hvy,

   You might want to take off your tinfoil hat, it's messing up your hair. 

- Alex

It's actually an experiment to see if I can get security clearance after posting a bunch of conspiracy stuff on a 2a site. I passed the FBI check ok but secret service is a whole different ball o' wax.

It's actually an experiment to see if I can get security clearance after posting a bunch of conspiracy stuff on a 2a site. I passed the FBI check ok but secret service is a whole different ball o' wax.

So, in other words, you're abusing the leniency of the moderators here and making 2aHawaii (and, by extension, everyone who is associated with it) look like a bunch of wackos so that you can see if you can sabotage the rest of your life by being flagged by the Secret Service as a conspiracy nut or, worse, a domestic terrorist.

How about you take this little self-destructive journey to another forum?

- Alex

You're too easy, Alex. I was just joking. Kind of.

But for the heck of it let's take another look at your argument. I haven't made any statements that even remotely suggest harm to myself or others, so unless reading too many spooky websites or having an unusual opinions is a crime then I should have nothing to worry about. We supposedly live in a society that is free and open, yet you think that by exercising my 1a rights on a web forum that I am running a risk of being labeled a terrorist and sabotaging my life. Are you suggesting that there's some sort of conspiracy to suspend first amendment rights in this country?

You're too easy, Alex. I was just joking. Kind of.

But for the heck of it let's take another look at your argument. I haven't made any statements that even remotely suggest harm to myself or others, so unless reading too many spooky websites or having an unusual opinions is a crime then I should have nothing to worry about. We supposedly live in a society that is free and open, yet you think that by exercising my 1a rights on a web forum that I am running a risk of being labeled a terrorist and sabotaging my life. Are you suggesting that there's some sort of conspiracy to suspend first amendment rights in this country?

No, but if you hold a security clearance, then you surrender some of your First Amendment rights. If Investigators feel that you have an anti-American or anti-government sentiment, then they can decide that you cannot be trusted with our Nation's secrets.

- Alex

You're too easy, Alex. I was just joking. Kind of.

But for the heck of it let's take another look at your argument. I haven't made any statements that even remotely suggest harm to myself or others, so unless reading too many spooky websites or having an unusual opinions is a crime then I should have nothing to worry about. We supposedly live in a society that is free and open, yet you think that by exercising my 1a rights on a web forum that I am running a risk of being labeled a terrorist and sabotaging my life. Are you suggesting that there's some sort of conspiracy to suspend first amendment rights in this country?

I will tell you the courts ARE looking at this website, and things you post can and will be used against us (me).