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What constitutes a disqualification? An M.D. order a Pscyhe Dr., Counselor who determines the mental illness, how about prior military service?

This is the new language that this HB Bill is adding.

     (c)  Any person disqualified from ownership, possession, or control of firearms and ammunition under section 134-7(c), or who underwent an emergency hospitalization under section 334-59, shall immediately surrender all firearms and ammunition to the chief of police upon written notification from the chief of police.  The notification shall set forth the reasons for the disqualification and shall state the requirement that the applicant immediately surrender all firearms and ammunition to the chief of police.  If any person fails to voluntarily surrender all firearms and ammunition, the chief of police may seize all firearms and ammunition.

Here is a link to 334-59:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0334/HRS_0334-0059.htm

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=2632

H 2/12/2016: The committees on HLT recommend that the measure be PASSED, WITH AMENDMENTS.

The votes were as follows: 8
Ayes: Representative(s) Belatti, Creagan, Hashem, Kobayashi;
Ayes with reservations: Representative(s) Jordan, Morikawa, Oshiro, Fukumoto Chang;
Noes: none; and
1 Excused: Representative(s) Tupola.

This is the new language that this HB Bill is adding.

     (c)  Any person disqualified from ownership, possession, or control of firearms and ammunition under section 134-7(c), or who underwent an emergency hospitalization under section 334-59, shall immediately surrender all firearms and ammunition to the chief of police upon written notification from the chief of police.  The notification shall set forth the reasons for the disqualification and shall state the requirement that the applicant immediately surrender all firearms and ammunition to the chief of police.  If any person fails to voluntarily surrender all firearms and ammunition, the chief of police may seize all firearms and ammunition.

Here is a link to 334-59:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0334/HRS_0334-0059.htm

It is important to note that this process is not just for mental illness. Someone can be forcefully taken to the hospital for mental evaluation for being very intoxicated if the level of intoxication is such that they are placing themselves in danger.

weird thing is the second time that HPD lost my psychologist letter (yes they lost it twice), the officer told me that i need to send them another bc, "you wouldn't want to lose all your firearms bc you dont have a letter."


I found that a little concerning since they lost the letter after i gave it to them, so its not my fault its theirs, but i would still lose my firearms
but actually not, bc thats not the law, but thats what he said
another example of how they just make stuff up as they go along.
welcome to Hawaii.   

since these passed,
if HPD loses the clearance letter, like they've done in the past, they can come and confiscate your firearms now.  maybe that officer knew something after all.....
need to be sure my letter is up to date, and that I have it at all times in case they call and I need to fax it to them immediately.
nice to know my chain can get jerked at the drop of a dime.

It is important to note that this process is not just for mental illness. Someone can be forcefully taken to the hospital for mental evaluation for being very intoxicated if the level of intoxication is such that they are placing themselves in danger.

Here's an excerpt from my submitted testimony on HB2632:

Further, looking into just a few of the details of the proposed law, one discovers that a person could be denied their Constitutionally-guaranteed rights based solely upon the “oral application of... any state or county employee in the course of employment”. Haw. Rev. Stat. § 334-59 as referenced in HB2632. Really? Since when does the county employee at the transfer station telling someone they have to take their old bed frame to the metal recycling bin rather than placing it in the general trash bin have the expertise or requisite training to determine that someone is “obviously ill”? That's preposterous. You may think I am joking or being facetious, but I'm not. I witnessed such an incident at the transfer station just a few days ago, and the “discussion” between the “county employee in the course of employment” and the citizen turned into a rather high volume “argument”. Perhaps that “county employee in the course of employment” may have believed at that moment that the citizen was “obviously ill” or perhaps “dangerous to self or others”. Would that be sufficient grounds to have a law-abiding citizen's firearms confiscated by the government? With no right to legal counsel a judge could issue such a confiscation order based solely upon the county employee's oral recommendation. That would be possible if HB2632 were enacted.

I want to see a 2nd amendment supporting officer refuse to enforce this law.

H 2/19/2016: Bill scheduled to be heard by JUD on Tuesday, 02-23-16 2:00PM in House conference room 325.

HB2632 HD1   Seizure of Firearms; Mental Illness; Police  
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   
Requires firearms owners who have been disqualified from owning a firearm and ammunition due to mental illness to immediately surrender their firearms and ammunition to the Chief of Police.

Link to bill -> http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=2632
JUD Committee -> http://capitol.hawaii.gov/committeepage.aspx?comm=JUD&year=2016 (Rhoads, F Rating)
Legislative Guidebook -> https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=22027.0

Send in your written testimonies before Monday 2/22/2016 2:00pm! 

Testimonies can be emailed to JUDtestimony@capitol.hawaii.gov.

H 2/19/2016: Bill scheduled to be heard by JUD on Tuesday, 02-23-16 2:00PM in House conference room 325.

HB2632 HD1   Seizure of Firearms; Mental Illness; Police  
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   
Requires firearms owners who have been disqualified from owning a firearm and ammunition due to mental illness to immediately surrender their firearms and ammunition to the Chief of Police.

Link to bill -> http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=2632
JUD Committee -> http://capitol.hawaii.gov/committeepage.aspx?comm=JUD&year=2016 (Rhoads, F Rating)
Legislative Guidebook -> https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=22027.0

Send in your written testimonies before Monday 2/22/2016 2:00pm! 

Testimonies can be emailed to JUDtestimony@capitol.hawaii.gov

       


testimony submitted. I suggest everyone do the same, before they decide owning firearms is unsafe and grounds for confiscation.

H 2/19/2016: Bill scheduled to be heard by JUD on Tuesday, 02-23-16 2:00PM in House conference room 325.

HB2632 HD1   Seizure of Firearms; Mental Illness; Police  
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   
Requires firearms owners who have been disqualified from owning a firearm and ammunition due to mental illness to immediately surrender their firearms and ammunition to the Chief of Police.

Link to bill -> http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=2632
JUD Committee -> http://capitol.hawaii.gov/committeepage.aspx?comm=JUD&year=2016 (Rhoads, F Rating)
Legislative Guidebook -> https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=22027.0

Send in your written testimonies before Monday 2/22/2016 2:00pm! 

Testimonies can be emailed to JUDtestimony@capitol.hawaii.gov.

Is this one different than before?

Gotta find my testimony to the last one and copy and paste if it is a second chance at essentially the same bill. Looks like it is modified to add ammunition?

I just reposted my old testimony with better spacing and indentation.
I also emailed the same testimony to the chair and vice chair.

Has anyone shared this on the firearm or stolen stuff pages of Facebook?

It is interesting to see the other bills being proposed. Some of them are redundant, like adding theft of a bicycle. Why can it not just be a normal theft as defined by the value?

Is this one different than before?

Essentially the same bill (as slightly amended by the previous committee), different committee.

All the arguments in opposition still apply, i.e. submitting same opposition testimony to the new committee is valid.

Sharing something PM'd to me by an old timer who has been doing this for a much longer time. 

You may want to let people know when testifying, to keep comments to a minimum because legislators Do NOT read them.  The staffer just looks at For & Against.  Also some comments make the commenter to be a major "Redneck".

If legislators don't read the comments, it further makes the point that being present and providing oral testimonies will be much more effective than sending in written ones. But send in the written ones in anyway since they can at least "count".

If legislators don't read the comments, it further makes the point that being present and providing oral testimonies will be much more effective than sending in written ones.

If one lives on an island other than Oahu, has a weekday job, and receives, at most, 48 hours notice of a hearing, I think we can safely conclude that the system is "rigged" against full public input that would be "more effective".

But send in the written ones in anyway since they can at least "count".

The submitted written testimony on HB2632 before the Health committee was 5 in support, 39 in opposition. It passed unanimously. It what math world does that "count"?

I stand corrected. Yes, in what math world does that count?  Maybe they can't read or count either!

I stand corrected. Yes, in what math world does that count?  Maybe they can't read or count either!

As I mentioned in another thread, I didn't witness the hearing, so perhaps 34 or more people appeared in person to support the bill, while no one appeared in person to oppose it, so that would make the math approximately half and half, but it passed 8-0. At least we know that there is no causal relationship between submitted written testimony and committee member votes (at least in this case, or any other pro-rights bill that I can recall).

I also noted that they printed the HPD testimony twice in the online written testimony document. Did they "count" it twice? That would have made it 39 opposed to 6 in favor. There may be some "secret mathematical formula" or "oral policy" of the legislators that submissions by HPD or any other government agency are weighted at 100x, or 1000x, or more likely 1,000,000x times more per submission than the lowly redneck bumpkin subjects (I almost wrote "citizens") who elected them and erroneously believe that they are entitled to some input on the laws that infringe on their ability to legally exercise their rights. "F*cking peasants!".

All this does is confirm the fact that WE NEED to get people to vote in the right legislators.  Legislators that will up hold their oaths to the constitution. 

If the same people keep getting voted in, there will be NO CHANGE.

*It won't make a difference
*I don't agree with this or that policy
*I don't like the way the guy looks
*etc

This is the reason we are having to fight so hard to stop this!

Make it very easy on yourself, VOTE 2A as your one and only top issue.  All else will fall into place!

H 2/19/2016: Bill scheduled to be heard by JUD on Tuesday, 02-23-16 2:00PM in House conference room 325.

HB2632 HD1   Seizure of Firearms; Mental Illness; Police  
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   
Requires firearms owners who have been disqualified from owning a firearm and ammunition due to mental illness to immediately surrender their firearms and ammunition to the Chief of Police.

Link to bill -> http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=2632
JUD Committee -> http://capitol.hawaii.gov/committeepage.aspx?comm=JUD&year=2016 (Rhoads, F Rating)
Legislative Guidebook -> https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=22027.0

Send in your written testimonies before Monday 2/22/2016 2:00pm! 

Testimonies can be emailed to JUDtestimony@capitol.hawaii.gov.

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