Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii (Read 453259 times)

aieahound

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #460 on: April 26, 2017, 10:09:05 PM »
There's a bunch of threads on this.

Check out this one:

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=25864.msg241299#msg241299

dustoff003

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #461 on: April 30, 2017, 04:02:08 PM »
If someone has the purchase and registration flow chart handy could you please re-post it or PM it to me? It is in post #1 but I cant get it to work, I know its dated but for what I need it for it will work thanks.

aieahound

DesertRangerTycho

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #463 on: April 30, 2017, 06:59:40 PM »
Here's the updated version.  Let me know if you have any changes that are needed.

Keep your powder dry!

Desert Ranger

macsak

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #464 on: April 30, 2017, 07:02:46 PM »
Here's the updated version.  Let me know if you have any changes that are needed.

Keep your powder dry!

Desert Ranger

shouldn't the fees be on both sides (long gun and handgun- if first time getting a permit)?

DesertRangerTycho

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #465 on: May 01, 2017, 05:06:00 PM »
shouldn't the fees be on both sides (long gun and handgun- if first time getting a permit)?

Yes,  I will make it a common element of both pathways.  mahalo!

DesertRangerTycho

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #466 on: May 01, 2017, 05:14:18 PM »
With Macsaks edits...

macsak

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #467 on: May 01, 2017, 05:32:54 PM »
With Macsaks edits...

lol, thanks
it's an awesome chart, man

DesertRangerTycho

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #468 on: May 01, 2017, 05:46:44 PM »
lol, thanks
it's an awesome chart, man

Thanks, Macsak.

Hopefully it helps others navigate the infringements that are Hawaii State Gun Laws.

rklapp

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #469 on: May 01, 2017, 06:45:11 PM »
I paid $16.25 before rapeback for fingerprints. Last December, I only paid $42 for rapeback and fingerprints. Are you sure new applicants have to pay both?
Some minor suggestions...
Add credit card payment option.
Should it say "2. Transport in gun case or original box"?
Perhaps add FFL to "Pick up [firearm] from gunshop/FFL"?

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DesertRangerTycho

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #470 on: May 01, 2017, 06:53:52 PM »
I paid $16.25 before rapeback for fingerprints. Last December, I only paid $42 for rapeback and fingerprints. Are you sure new applicants have to pay both?
Some minor suggestions...
Add credit card payment option.
Should it say "2. Transport in gun case or original box"?
Perhaps add FFL to "Pick up [firearm] from gunshop/FFL"?

Are they taking Credit Cards now?

Flapp_Jackson

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

DesertRangerTycho

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #472 on: May 01, 2017, 07:34:09 PM »
http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain

Now I am even more pissed off!  I had to pay the full $42 for rapback even though I already paid the $16.25 for my initial permit.   :wtf:

DesertRangerTycho

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #473 on: May 01, 2017, 07:55:22 PM »
Thanks to rkflapp and Flapp-Jackson for edits

Latest version... redux

changemyoil66

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #474 on: May 04, 2017, 11:00:16 PM »

LOL dont get me wrong, in no way I said it was the right thing.... I just stated they are trying..

As for the doctor I went, I do have a connection to them, they did review my file, and I did go through a physical and mental screening.  So it was legitimate under the circumstances. I did not just ask someone to sign the paper and walk out.  I did sit with the doctor and had a pretty deep conversation.


Again for me I am actually trying to do the "right" thing, while it is ridiculous. It just shows that law abiding citizens are will to do whats right... The "real" dangers are those that choose NOT to do anything at all.   So good or bad I see the reasoning, objectively, while I dont fully agree with the whole thing..... it has its reasons....I guess *shrug*.

In addition I dont think it is HPD in essence as again Kaiser is the "ONLY ONE" that will not issue waivers.  Why is that, even with the Medical Clearance letter there is an HRS that grants immunity to physicians?  So is it HPD/a Law or is it just Kaiser......


Anyways my point is to provide info and what I had to do to comply,  What tough is if you are not as fortunate to have access to another doctor, it can pose a lot of issues.  So knowing the steps and what to do, I hope helps someone else that might run into this process.


I do not want to see anyone lose their 2A rights because of stupidity and ignorance.  This situation totally caught me off guard, but I am glad I figured out a way and a way quickly. 


Flapp_Jackson, thank you as well for your help and assistance!
HpD hates guys with older porches...

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ed808

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #475 on: September 15, 2017, 05:15:00 PM »
Well..... This is not good,   Just got a call from HPD, they stated I will "NEED" a medical Clearance letter from my Doctor.  This they stated Kaiser WILL not ISSUE those letters, I will likely need to find another doctor, switch my carrier and then get a doctor, to sign the medical clearance form.


I brought up the HRA newsletter, they stated that, it is 2 years old.   They stated this is when Kaiser & Straub were not responding at all to the requests by HPD


Now that Kaiser is sending the generic letter.  they are stating that the we will NEED a medical clearance letter from a doctor. which Kaiser will not issue....

I will then also need to comply within 30 days to get another doctor, to approve or I will need to transfer all my firearms....... !@#$$%*(*@$$

Aloha All
I find myself in a similar situation. I am also with Kaiser medical and in need of a referral of a doctor who is will to take a look at medical records for a medical clearance letter.
I have a permit and legally owned firearms since 2011 and just last month put in an application for purchase of additional firearms.
Unfortunately I was red flagged for seeing a behavioral counselor in 2015 and now according to HPD would need to surrender my already purchased firearms if I am not able to obtain a letter.
I am hoping someone in the 2a forums could point me in the right direction.

London808

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #476 on: September 15, 2017, 09:06:30 PM »
Aloha All
I find myself in a similar situation. I am also with Kaiser medical and in need of a referral of a doctor who is will to take a look at medical records for a medical clearance letter.
I have a permit and legally owned firearms since 2011 and just last month put in an application for purchase of additional firearms.
Unfortunately I was red flagged for seeing a behavioral counselor in 2015 and now according to HPD would need to surrender my already purchased firearms if I am not able to obtain a letter.
I am hoping someone in the 2a forums could point me in the right direction.

I can't recommend a doctor but I highly recommend calling Rick Holcomb, his number is (808) 545-4040.

He's a lawyer that handles 2A cases (including mine) and I know he would be interested in anyone dealing with HPD and kaiser.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

London808

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #477 on: September 15, 2017, 09:08:13 PM »
If anyone else has kaiser I recommend you also call Rick at (808) 545-4040. if you have questions shoot me a PM
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

tillamook

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #478 on: September 15, 2017, 10:03:01 PM »
What a bunch of BS. 

Im a physician and would happily do these but Im also an employee and dont control things like my clinic's liability insurance.  Obviously the concern is if I sign one and someone shoots up the school everyone will be pointing at me as the reason. 

I saw one of these letters today and heard the patient got turned away because they had kaiser insurance (which isnt taken by my office).  If it was someone here I'm sorry

I'd like to handle these by asking "Are you an American Citizen?" and if your answer is "yes" I would sign the form since there is nothing in the constitution that says you need a physician clearance to exercise your rights. 

I'll talk to my director and see how touchy of issue this is.  Perhaps we can take cash paying patients and do the minimal assessment to sign the form.  BS that someone would have to pay a physician for this. 

No due process, just random judgement from a doctor. 

Glad I left my firearm collection in another state with my son before I moved here. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Getting and registering a gun in Hawaii
« Reply #479 on: September 15, 2017, 10:19:19 PM »
What a bunch of BS. 

Im a physician and would happily do these but Im also an employee and dont control things like my clinic's liability insurance.  Obviously the concern is if I sign one and someone shoots up the school everyone will be pointing at me as the reason. 

I saw one of these letters today and heard the patient got turned away because they had kaiser insurance (which isnt taken by my office).  If it was someone here I'm sorry

I'd like to handle these by asking "Are you an American Citizen?" and if your answer is "yes" I would sign the form since there is nothing in the constitution that says you need a physician clearance to exercise your rights. 

I'll talk to my director and see how touchy of issue this is.  Perhaps we can take cash paying patients and do the minimal assessment to sign the form.  BS that someone would have to pay a physician for this. 

No due process, just random judgement from a doctor. 

Glad I left my firearm collection in another state with my son before I moved here.

Hawaii State law provides qualified immunity for health providers.  There's no reason for Kaiser Hawaii to fear being held liable for clearing someone seeking a firearm permit.

I guess they think it's better to deny all of their patients who go to behavioral health their Constitutional rights rather than risk a patient committing a crime and having to answer questions.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0018.htm

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§134-18  Qualified immunity for physicians, psychologists, or psychiatrists who provide information on permit applicants. There shall be no civil liability for

any physician, psychologist, or psychiatrist who provides information or renders an opinion in response to an inquiry made for purposes of issuing a firearm permit

under section 134-2 or for purposes of investigating the continuing mental health of the holder of a valid firearm permit provided that the physician, psychologist, or

psychiatrist acted without malice. [L 1992, c 287, §1; am L 1994, c 204, §10]
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw