Japan and Germany were a different type of enemy. They were an enemy based on a country, not an ideology. They were an enemy with uniforms and clearer battle lines. In WW2, we didn't have smart bombs, stealth technology, or satellites. This is a different war in a different time with a different type of enemy.

The argument of "well we did it in the past and it worked fine" is about as thoughtless as can be. We also did slavery in the past, perhaps we should apply your logic to that too?

You are operating on assumptions, specifically the assumption that a ruthless war will scare people out of fighting. How do you know it won't just make them fight harder? How do you know if won't just make them have more recruits? I think your premise is flawed, especially when dealing with an enemy of this type.

The bill of rights recognizes what are supposed to be innate human rights, they could be said to exist even if there was no amendment guaranteeing it. Having said that, this means we, as the leader of the free world, needs to abide by the ideals which make us great. Either we are moral and strong, or the whole greatest nation is a facade.  The supreme court did rule that the prisoners in Guantanamo do have the right to due process. Again, this is because we are, or at least try to be, a just nation, and try to prevent the innocent from being killed.
Or do you operate under the belief that the right to free speech exists only because it is written on paper?

Do you believe the phrase that it is better that 10 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man go to jail? (in general)

So how what's your plan in combating terrorism and extremists that have attacked us?
The United States is eagerly waiting for your answer. I'm sure Israel and Saudi Arabia would love to hear your plan.
Combating this current issue is complex and what ever policy our country has adopted since the greatest attack since Pearl Harbor have obviously failed.
It seems you are proposing paths to diplomacy with non-state actors. How about a peace treaty between ISIS and the USA? Our country already accepts their religion as well as others. What can we do to stop them (ISIS & the like) from attacking us?

Shouldn't congress declare war?

Interesting thread.

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but I'm 99% sure all terrorists are Muslim. 

Rules of engagement and all those libtard progressive bullshit the service members have to go through is supposed to work? When  fighting an enemy who has no problem using women and children as shields, burning/beheading innocent lives who aren't even part of the "enemy," you're fighting.....  Yea.....play fair. That'll learn em. 

I'll be the first to say that "farewell to manzanar," was an atrocious part of American history.  One in which reparations, while made, were not nearly enough and waaaaaaay late to arrive.  All of this against a people who volunteered for the toughest fights to prove that they were AMERICAN.  The 100th battalion, the 442 regiment.  They gave without being asked.  They don't bitch about being owed something and continually play the victim racist card, nor are they the type to attack innocent civilians to make headlines.

Why is that? 

I don't hear enough backlash from the members of the religion of peace speaking against these atrocities, do you? 

As far as I'm concerned, this dude in the link below tells it like it is. 

http://www.patcondell.net/

So how what's your plan in combating terrorism and extremists that have attacked us?
The United States is eagerly waiting for your answer. I'm sure Israel and Saudi Arabia would love to hear your plan.
Combating this current issue is complex and what ever policy our country has adopted since the greatest attack since Pearl Harbor have obviously failed.
It seems you are proposing paths to diplomacy with non-state actors. How about a peace treaty between ISIS and the USA? Our country already accepts their religion as well as others. What can we do to stop them (ISIS & the like) from attacking us?

I'm just waiting for the anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian bullshit to start flowing in the response....

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I don't hear enough backlash from the members of the religion of peace speaking against these atrocities, do you? 

Could it be because people don't televise it? I have seen it a few times, but I don't frequently watch TV much anymore.  Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist though.

Let me ask you this, do you know many muslims? Have you asked them if they support ISIS or other terrorist activities?

How much backlash is enough? I hear the statement often and must say I understand the logic but I never hear what quantifiable level they actually expect.

To compare it to a domestic terrorist, I rarely hear evangelicals speaking out against abortion clinic bombers.

But really, it is a difficult issue. There may be fear to speak out, there may be a feeling that their voice will mean nothing, etc etc. Now it would be great if huge numbers of muslims in this country spoke out against islamic terrorists, but is it their responsibility? Would it really have an impact?

So how what's your plan in combating terrorism and extremists that have attacked us?
The United States is eagerly waiting for your answer. I'm sure Israel and Saudi Arabia would love to hear your plan.
Combating this current issue is complex and what ever policy our country has adopted since the greatest attack since Pearl Harbor have obviously failed.
It seems you are proposing paths to diplomacy with non-state actors. How about a peace treaty between ISIS and the USA? Our country already accepts their religion as well as others. What can we do to stop them (ISIS & the like) from attacking us?

So do you support waterboarding even though it has been shown to fail at producing actionable intelligence? If you do, then why? There is no point, no benefit. If an enhanced interrogation method proves successful then we have some ground to stand on in justifying a grey area.

You avoided many of my specific questions. If winning is the top priority would you condone rape and murder as part of your combat strategy?

I don't pretend to have some magic combat plan, but I know certain aspects I do not think should be allowed. Mistakes have been made, this is common in war. Some of them are avoidable, some of them aren't.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't agree with all the rules of combat they have come up with. The rule of FMJ bullets only (I've been told) is a dumb one I think. Like police, you shoot to stop the threat and that means choosing the best bullet possible. But that is getting to another topic.

I'm just waiting for the anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian bullshit to start flowing in the response....

Why? Stereotype much?

I very much support Israel. In the face of an immoral enemy, the Israelis have combatted them repeatedly with military and moral strength. Might want to look at Israel's actual strategy before using them to support your idea of anything goes combat.

So do you support waterboarding even though it has been shown to fail at producing actionable intelligence? If you do, then why? There is no point, no benefit. If an enhanced interrogation method proves successful then we have some ground to stand on in justifying a grey area.

You avoided many of my specific questions. If winning is the top priority would you condone rape and murder as part of your combat strategy?

I don't pretend to have some magic combat plan, but I know certain aspects I do not think should be allowed. Mistakes have been made, this is common in war. Some of them are avoidable, some of them aren't.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't agree with all the rules of combat they have come up with. The rule of FMJ bullets only (I've been told) is a dumb one I think. Like police, you shoot to stop the threat and that means choosing the best bullet possible. But that is getting to another topic.

Rape and murder was never a part of any combat strategy. It is punishable by UCMJ. Last time I went to Army basic in 1997 there was no mention of raping and murder as any way to defeat the enemy. I also checked FM 7-8. Nada. Are you prior service? from what country?

So what is this about FMJ bullets used in combat being "dumb"? Ever been shot with one?
Like I said in previous talks about calibers, etc. If I get shot, I wouldn't ask what shot me. I scream for a medic.
You ever sat in an interrogation before? Not tactical questioning.

So again, how would you fight this modern day enemy? Suggestions? What would you do differently? Instead of waterboarding what would you do to extract information?
I cited historical examples that worked. None of them involved raping.

Could it be because people don't televise it? I have seen it a few times, but I don't frequently watch TV much anymore.  Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist though.

Let me ask you this, do you know many muslims? Have you asked them if they support ISIS or other terrorist activities?

How much backlash is enough? I hear the statement often and must say I understand the logic but I never hear what quantifiable level they actually expect.

To compare it to a domestic terrorist, I rarely hear evangelicals speaking out against abortion clinic bombers.

But really, it is a difficult issue. There may be fear to speak out, there may be a feeling that their voice will mean nothing, etc etc. Now it would be great if huge numbers of muslims in this country spoke out against islamic terrorists, but is it their responsibility? Would it really have an impact?

Not an excuse. Where's all the Muslims going over seas to take it to these ISIS
members?  They should be shouting against this from every corner. Stereotypes develop quickly.

Since everyone is asking you what you would recommend the US government do, and you haven't answered, perhaps I would suggest something no less than gun plumber Old Testament style retribution.  Over the top?  Sure you betcha.  But the gloves need to come off already.   

Interesting watching so many people who swear up and down by the words of the Constitution actively advocate our descent into a totalitarian hell hole. If we are supposed to be this high and mighty society, the standard by which the rest of the world is judged, then what's the point of invading these places if we are forced to stoop to their level and become just like them? 

The problem is the modern military isn't tasked with winning wars, but prolonging conflict. They want service members to go in and break just enough stuff and kill just enough people, with the goal of sticking around for a very long time. Why, you ask? Money!

The military industrial complex doesn't care about winning. It just wants lots of conflicts that drain our tax dollars on ultra-expensive fireworks shows that put us into debt which will never, ever be paid off. It's a suicide machine that has no internal limiting mechanism when it comes to profit. Just like every other empire we are doomed by over-expansion and internal decay.

When people talk about full-spectrum global dominance as our national heritage, then you know it's a lie. The alleged goal of one-world government is to bring peace, and peace is bad for business.

Interesting watching so many people who swear up and down by the words of the Constitution actively advocate our descent into a totalitarian hell hole. If we are supposed to be this high and mighty society, the standard by which the rest of the world is judged, then what's the point of invading these places if we are forced to stoop to their level and become just like them? 

The problem is the modern military isn't tasked with winning wars, but prolonging conflict. They want service members to go in and break just enough stuff and kill just enough people, with the goal of sticking around for a very long time. Why, you ask? Money!

The military industrial complex doesn't care about winning. It just wants lots of conflicts that drain our tax dollars on ultra-expensive fireworks shows that put us into debt which will never, ever be paid off. It's a suicide machine that has no internal limiting mechanism when it comes to profit. Just like every other empire we are doomed by over-expansion and internal decay.

When people talk about full-spectrum global dominance as our national heritage, then you know it's a lie. The alleged goal of one-world government is to bring peace, and peace is bad for business.

It's tough to comment on these topics knowing what is going on. Assuming we actually took border security and immigration seriously, I'd just say forget it.  Let's just focus on our country and stop playing world police. 

Given what's going on here, what's already playing out in he UK, and in Europe, I can't say I disagree with the idea of finishing off ISIS once and for all.  I know, that's not the plan,  money is, I get it. 

 I should follow more positive threads like the whats cooking ones.   

hvybarrels echoes my thoughts on this.

I am not for a weak America, but imagine this.

You are walking down the street, and some asshole just ups and sucker punches you. As he is about to do it again, you react.

Do you rape him? Mutilate him? Threaten to rape his family?

No, you can kick his ass so badly he is in the hospital. Maybe even rip a leg off.

And let the other guys on the street see you do it.

I think that is sufficient without going to the level of the barbarians.

You want the other guys to respect your strength BUT ALSO RESPECT YOUR BEHAVIOR.

In fact, if you are big and strong enough, nobody would even think to sucker punch you in the first place.

Imagine the USA going around acting LIKE IMPERIAL JAPAN AND THE NAZIS (doing human experiments, mass murdering women and children, impaling pregnant women on swords, etc)... this will seriously undermine our leadership in the free world. All those things are super scary, yes, and they will scare our enemies stupid, but is that what America is about?

If that is what America is about, what the F were we doing fighting the Nazis then? I thought we wanted to remove that kind of society from this world.

The whole world already says America is a warmongering Nazi nation, now trying to elect Hitler to power. No need to prove them correct.

Also as I said, this torture stuff, easily can be used on citizens. Whoever does not hand in their guns, gets tortured. Imagine that.