SCOTUS rules stun guns are Constitutionally protected "arms" (Read 4375 times)

punaperson

SCOTUS rules stun guns are Constitutionally protected "arms"
« on: March 21, 2016, 07:19:43 AM »
SCOTUS rules stun guns are Constitutionally protected "arms". Well, at least they ruled that Massachussetts' Supreme Court ruling that an upheld conviction for possessing and using one is in error and must be reheard under the SCOTUS guidance that stun guns are "protected" as "arms" by the Constitution via Heller and McDonald. SCOTUS shreds the absurd arguments offered by the government to support the ban and conviction and upheld by the state supreme court, and points out the simplicity of understanding that Heller and McDonald say the exact opposite as the reasoning of the state courts.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/032116zor_h3ci.pdf

The order is at page 15, and an extensive further "concurrence" analysis by Justice Alito (joined by Justice Thomas) follows. Good stuff for us. The Young case in Hawaii already challenges all the bullshit bans on various knives and stun guns and batons and "short barrelled" rifles and shotguns, etc. that Hawaii legislators have so unconstitutionally made criminals of us who might want to possess or carry such items for self-defense, so this will be at least a footnote added to the briefs for if/when Young ever does get before the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Here's a sample from the actual order:

The Court has held that “the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding,” District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U. S. 570, 582 (2008), and that this “Second Amendment right is fully applicable to the States,” McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U. S. 742, 750 (2010). In this case, the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts upheld a Massachusetts law prohibiting the possession of stun guns after examining “whether a stun gun is the type of weapon contemplated by Congress in 1789 as being protected by the Second Amendment.” 470 Mass. 774, 777, 26 N. E. 3d 688, 691 (2015).

The court offered three explanations to support its holding that the Second Amendment does not extend to stun guns. First, the court explained that stun guns are not protected because they “were not in common use at the time of the Second Amendment’s enactment.” Id., at 781, 26 N. E. 3d, at 693. This is inconsistent with Heller’s clear statement that the Second Amendment “extends . . . to . . . arms . . . that were not in existence at the time of the founding.” 554 U. S., at 582.

The court next asked whether stun guns are “dangerous per se at common law and unusual,” 470 Mass., at 781, 26 N.E. 3d, at 694, in an attempt to apply one “important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms,"Heller, 554 U. S., at 627; see ibid. (referring to “the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons’”). In so doing, the court concluded that stun guns are “unusual” because they are “a thoroughly modern invention.” 470 Mass., at 781, 26 N. E. 3d, at 693–694. By equating “unusual” with “in common use at the time of the Second Amendment’s enactment,” the court’s second explanation is the same as the first; it is inconsistent with Heller for the same reason.

Finally, the court used “a contemporary lens” and found “nothing in the record to suggest that [stun guns] are readily adaptable to use in the military.” 470 Mass., at 781, 26 N. E. 3d, at 694. But Heller rejected the proposition “that only those weapons useful in warfare are protected.” 554 U. S., at 624–625.

For these three reasons, the explanation the Massachusetts court offered for upholding the law contradicts this Court’s precedent. Consequently, the petition for a writ of certiorari and the motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis are granted. The judgment of the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts is vacated, and the case is remanded for further proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion.

It is so ordered.
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punaperson

Re: SCOTUS rules stun guns are Constitutionally protected "arms"
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2016, 11:11:37 AM »
A little more detail for those who may not want to read the whole thing (the quotes are from the concurrence by Alito and Thomas):

One: this is a "per curiam" decision, which means that it was a UNANIMOUS vote by the court, currently that would be 8 to 0.

Two: Ms. Caetano was outside her home (she was actually homeless at the time), in a public place where she used her illegal and illegally possessed arm to defend herself (merely by brandishing). A reinforcement from SCOTUS implying that self-defense with an arm outside the home in a public place is a constitutionally-protected right.

Some quotes (all emphasis mine, my comments in brackets):

"The decision below also does a grave disservice to vulnerable individuals like Caetano who must defend themselves because the State will not."

[Just like Chief Perry (whose county leads the state in rapes, etc.), and the other police chiefs of the other counties can't protect their citizens yet deny them the right to bear arms for self-defense outside their homes in public places by denying them CCW licenses.]

"While less popular than handguns, stun guns are widely owned and accepted as a legitimate means of self-defense across the country. Massachusetts’ categorical ban of such weapons therefore violates the Second Amendment."

[Substitute “Hawaii” for “Massachusetts”: slam dunk!]

"A State’s most basic responsibility is to keep its people safe. The Commonwealth of Massachusetts was either unable or unwilling to do what was necessary to protect Jaime Caetano, so she was forced to protect herself.   To make matters worse, the Commonwealth chose to deploy its prosecutorial resources to prosecute and convict her of a  criminal  offense  for  arming  herself  with  a  nonlethal weapon that may well have saved her life.  The Supreme Judicial Court then affirmed her conviction on the flimsiest of grounds. This Court’s grudging per curiam now sends the case back to that same court.   And the consequences for Caetano may prove more tragic still, as her conviction likely bars her from ever bearing arms for self- defense."

[I believe a valid interpretation of this statement is "The state has the responsibility to keep it's citizens safe. One way the state can fulfill that obligation is to NOT forbid citizens from legally bearing arms, including outside their homes, to protect themselves (their safety) when the state (frequently) fails to provide for their safety and the individual must engage in their own self-defense. If a state denies it's citizens the right to lawfully bear arms outside the home, in order to provide for their own self-defense, that state has failed at it's "most basic responsibility... to keep its people safe". Therefore all bearable arms (defined in Heller) must be legal both inside and outside the home.]

"If the fundamental right of self-defense does not protect Caetano, then the safety of all Americans is left to the mercy of state authorities who may be more concerned about disarming the people than about keeping them safe."

[What could be more clear than that? I guess maybe "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", and we see what our local politicians/police chiefs have done with that. I want to read Chief Perry's next op-ed about the "tortured logic" of SCOTUS in this decision. I can hardly wait for that piece of crap.]

s197

So now we have precedent for stun guns in Hawaii correct? What is the next course of action?

Heavies

Re: SCOTUS rules stun guns are Constitutionally protected "arms"
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2016, 12:41:31 PM »
Exciting and excellent news!

punaperson

So now we have precedent for stun guns in Hawaii correct? What is the next course of action?
Well, not really, unfortunately. As I understand it (and I could 100% mistaken) the per curiam order (which I don't think is "technically" precedent. Please, any lawyers correct me.) only states that 1. the Massachusetts Supreme Court (MA SC) got the ruling totally wrong in that Heller and McDonald clearly state by definition that a stun gun is clearly protected by the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. 2. The MA SC has to rehear the case given that fact. The MA SC can still come up with some other "off the wall" fallacious reasoning (which is feared by Alito and Thomas in the "grudgingly" remand comment) to deny overturning Ms. Caetano's conviction. I personally think SCOTUS is very clear in what they are saying, but the lower courts seem to twist things in a manner that is preposterous (SCOTUS language: "bordering on the frivolous") in order to uphold clearly unconstitutional laws.

Once Peruta/Richards is decided by the Ninth Circuit (which could be almost never if they want it that way... remanding it back to the district court would add at least 5 more years to the process... unless one side decides not to appeal), then Young will be taken up. Young includes a challenge to all the "bans" Hawaii has enacted: various knives, handgun magazine capacity limits, "assault pistols", stun guns, batons, "short barrelled" rifles and shotguns, etc. I think we know how they will likely decide those issues, unless Caetano gets before SCOTUS again and SCOTUS does set precedent with a decision clearly stating that certain arms are protected, including their being carried outside the home for self defense. Given the current makeup of SCOTUS that would be a miracle. I'm guessing that the unanimous vote in Caetano was partly due to the weapon being a (nearly) non-lethal one.

But it's certainly the best news out of SCOTUS for us in a long time.

ren

So now we have precedent for stun guns in Hawaii correct? What is the next course of action?

14 day waiting period for the stun gun. Mandatory ID to purchase batteries.
Meanwhile carry a 9 volt battery and firmly press against attacker.
Deeds Not Words

passivekinetic

Re: SCOTUS rules stun guns are Constitutionally protected "arms"
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2016, 01:24:36 PM »
D size probably will work better  :shaka:
"The sheep fear sheepdogs, because they fail to see the wolves."
- Anonymous

punaperson

Re: SCOTUS rules stun guns are Constitutionally protected "arms"
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2016, 09:57:55 AM »
Charles Nichols, of Open Carry California, wrote today about the Caetano decision. Mr. Nichols believes that open carry is the right protected by the Second Amendment, and cites Heller (among other cases elsewhere: http://blog.californiarighttocarry.org/?page_id=739) to make his point. If you watched/listened to the en banc oral arguments in Peruta/Richards this question, somewhat obliquely, came up, with Gura and Clement both arguing that the state can ban either open or concealed carry, but not both. As Mr. Nichols points out, everywhere that argument has been made, they've lost, in that courts have allowed concealed carry to be "regulated" into non-existence (see: Hawaii. et. al.).

http://us11.campaign-archive1.com/?u=8983547b55225326e869dd6a1&id=0cbac7baaa&e

Supreme Court Decision wasn’t about Stun Guns – It was about the Second Amendment Decision in District of Columbia v. Heller which is Bad News for Concealed Carry