HNN had a segment this morning about how the legislature did not come with funding to continue rail.  Caldwell was interviewed and said we need another $3B to finish this project.  Wonder what happens after current funds run out this summer.

Negotiate a "deal" with Trump for a federal "bailout"? Raise taxes? Screw the citizens over one way or another?

I can hardly wait for the "excuses" to start rolling in after the rail gets completed about why it hasn't ameliorated traffic congestion, etc. ("It'd be worse without it", etc.)., It never ends.

FUND THE RAIL.  lol at this point we might as well.  Raise taxes on gas or vehicles or something.  I'll pay it.

FUND THE RAIL.  lol at this point we might as well.  Raise taxes on gas or vehicles or something.  I'll pay it.

You can pay my part, too.  I'll never have a reason to ride the rail anyway, assuming I'm alive when it's finally operational.

It's a somewhat specialized method and usually somewhat specialized mix due to environmental conditions, which is usually salt water.  I guess I kinda cheated there because it's not often new private waterfront structures are built. 
Cement to the construction world is kind of like clip in the firearms world.  One of the most misused words and one that can make those familiar in that field/world cringe.  Clip doesn't affect me much anymore to be honest, but I know many to will literally go red in the face.  Another one is earthquake proof. 

You mean you taught "masonary".   

When I worked in Seattle, I started right out of college.  So by 30, I had a good amount of experience, but still looked young (Asian blood).  I would get all sorts of old timers trying to tell me all sorts of "we've always done it that way" BS, thinking I was some 1-2 year engineer.  One popular one was that they only need to vibrate masonry grout once. . . uh, no.  Sometimes the older guys in my office would joke that sometimes being a "gray haired" engineer has it's benefits, in that they look older and usually don't get that kind of stuff.  Hell, I still get that now and I've been doing this for 20 years.   

PT was my specialty when I work in Seattle.  It was the up and coming method at that time and not that many were trained in design.  Good stuff if used properly.

Cement, clips, heads - Can't we all just get along?

Masonary!!! 

It's funny you mention the "gray haired". I found it was not until I turned really gray that most of the superintendents and foremen stopped arguing with me.

When I was inspecting the construction of the Kapolei Commons Theater I was constantly challenged by a rod buster foreman who was around my age. He was constantly insulting and talked down to me. Very hard to work with. I work with this type all the time. I know most of the tricks of the trade but I am never too old to learn something new. One day he was tying some iron at 13" on center that was supposed to be at 12" on center. This was across 15 or so feet. I knew right away what he was doing. He knew the code states the bars have to be +/- 1". But what he didn't know is the code also states the correct number of bars have to be in place. So over 15' he had tied 15 bars but 16 were required. He thought he was getting away with something because he thought he was within code. When I pointed out that the code also calls out for the correct number of bars be placed and he was missing a bar he blew up and started shouting and cussing. He even through down his hard hat. I just stood there and laughed and asked him if he was finished. That's when his demeanor changed and he said he'll bring the missing bar the next day before the pour. After that he never talked that way to me again. And he was actually quite friendly after that. Funny what a little gray hair can do...

Funny what a little gray hair can do...

Maybe Caldwell has too much gray hair. He not getting anyone to listen. LOL

You can pay my part, too.  I'll never have a reason to ride the rail anyway, assuming I'm alive when it's finally operational.

Nah I'm not riding the rail either but we all gotta pay or atleast everyone who drives would the ideal plan.  Cause this is going to hopefully help you in the end.

Nah I'm not riding the rail either but we all gotta pay or atleast everyone who drives would the ideal plan.  Cause this is going to hopefully help you in the end.

Yeah, with hope and 5 bucks you can buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks (I think).

And, yeah, it's gonna help him in the end, and everyone else in the end... the back end... now bend over!

Nah I'm not riding the rail either but we all gotta pay or atleast everyone who drives would the ideal plan.  Cause this is going to hopefully help you in the end.

We are never going to see $10B in benefit from the rail, no matter what you try to say.  And $10B is just the most recent estimate. 

The anticipated ridership won't be able to sustain operational costs.  More taxes to continue paying for it.

You don't seem to have much understanding of the value of money, today and in the future, and how to do a cost-benefit analysis.  Otherwise, you'd never make ignorant comments like "Cause this is going to hopefully help you in the end."

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/35358311/hart-shutting-down-rail-would-cost-3-billion

Cement, clips, heads - Can't we all just get along?

Masonary!!! 

It's funny you mention the "gray haired". I found it was not until I turned really gray that most of the superintendents and foremen stopped arguing with me.

When I was inspecting the construction of the Kapolei Commons Theater I was constantly challenged by a rod buster foreman who was around my age. He was constantly insulting and talked down to me. Very hard to work with. I work with this type all the time. I know most of the tricks of the trade but I am never too old to learn something new. One day he was tying some iron at 13" on center that was supposed to be at 12" on center. This was across 15 or so feet. I knew right away what he was doing. He knew the code states the bars have to be +/- 1". But what he didn't know is the code also states the correct number of bars have to be in place. So over 15' he had tied 15 bars but 16 were required. He thought he was getting away with something because he thought he was within code. When I pointed out that the code also calls out for the correct number of bars be placed and he was missing a bar he blew up and started shouting and cussing. He even through down his hard hat. I just stood there and laughed and asked him if he was finished. That's when his demeanor changed and he said he'll bring the missing bar the next day before the pour. After that he never talked that way to me again. And he was actually quite friendly after that. Funny what a little gray hair can do...

Inspector stories? I have many of those. Seems like the entertaining ones are with rod busters. 

I'm generally pretty easy going until people try to lie to my face about correcting non-conforming work. Like physics, it's easy to document non-conformance.


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Inspector stories? I have many of those. Seems like the entertaining ones are with rod busters. 

I'm generally pretty easy going until people try to lie to my face about correcting non-conforming work. Like physics, it's easy to document non-conformance.


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Don't know what it is about rod busters but they seem to be the ones who are doing non conforming work more often than some other trades.

It's funny how some subs will argue til the cows come home but as soon as you say you are writing the non conformance in your report it gets fixed almost immediately. Not sure why that happens? [/sarcasm]

Next time we have dinner I will tell you what I am currently doing and the lies that keep on coming.....

This evening news said now they are actually looking whether the cost to dismantle the rail will be cheaper than to finish.  Some say it will cost the same, $3B to complete or dismantle so may as well finish.  On the other hand, the UH Professor P??   (don't know how to spell his name) says it take way more than $3B to take it to Ala Moana.  I say just leave it unfinished as is.  Then our future generations can look at it and remember to count the cost before starting any project.

Then our future generations can look at it and remember to count the cost before starting any project.

I doubt future generations will be any less susceptible than this one to be duped by politicians lining their own pockets with "donations" and "future benefits" from the contractors, et al. who rake in the billions of the original "projected costs" and the many billions more of "revised cost estimates" to "finish" a project. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

This evening news said now they are actually looking whether the cost to dismantle the rail will be cheaper than to finish.  Some say it will cost the same, $3B to complete or dismantle so may as well finish.  On the other hand, the UH Professor P??   (don't know how to spell his name) says it take way more than $3B to take it to Ala Moana.  I say just leave it unfinished as is.  Then our future generations can look at it and remember to count the cost before starting any project.

no worries, omimpotent says he's gonna pay for it (along with the 97% of rail supporters who support rail)

Cement, clips, heads - Can't we all just get along?

Masonary!!! 

It's funny you mention the "gray haired". I found it was not until I turned really gray that most of the superintendents and foremen stopped arguing with me.

When I was inspecting the construction of the Kapolei Commons Theater I was constantly challenged by a rod buster foreman who was around my age. He was constantly insulting and talked down to me. Very hard to work with. I work with this type all the time. I know most of the tricks of the trade but I am never too old to learn something new. One day he was tying some iron at 13" on center that was supposed to be at 12" on center. This was across 15 or so feet. I knew right away what he was doing. He knew the code states the bars have to be +/- 1". But what he didn't know is the code also states the correct number of bars have to be in place. So over 15' he had tied 15 bars but 16 were required. He thought he was getting away with something because he thought he was within code. When I pointed out that the code also calls out for the correct number of bars be placed and he was missing a bar he blew up and started shouting and cussing. He even through down his hard hat. I just stood there and laughed and asked him if he was finished. That's when his demeanor changed and he said he'll bring the missing bar the next day before the pour. After that he never talked that way to me again. And he was actually quite friendly after that. Funny what a little gray hair can do...

Not the same but my similar story was when I was a 1st year apprentice.   On a Friday the 1545 whistle had blown and as I went to the gang area to get my time card, my old boss was holding it.   He told me I had to work weekend and I said I cannot.   He was not going to give me my timecard so I just walked off and went home.  Apparently he must have punched me out since I didn't lose any time or pay.  Smartest thing I did;  he never harassed me after that.  If I gave in, I'm convinced he would ride my okole till I went to another gang.

I was a rail supporter before only because it would give leeward and central Oahu people an alternate way to get to town (like my daughter who catches the bus and has been trapped in multi hour traffic jams on the viaduct) and would provide high paying trade and technical jobs.  I also always thought the anti-rail people were saying "no can" like the Superferry or other ideas to make improvements.  I hate that "no can" mentality.   Also in trying to downsize my home, I was thinking about moving to a duplex or townhome in the new proposed Koa Ridge development.

However with Hanabusa getting involved, the growing incompetence of HART and the politicians involved and nobody being held accountable, I support cutting our losses and stopping the project by the Kalihi bus station. or wherever the last dollar in their budget takes it.   Hope this provides a lessons learned to HI people and make a difference in the next elections.  I also hope the feds with hold rail money unless HI makes a deal with DJT to tow the line, stop this sanctuary crap and stop infringing on guaranteed individual rights.

This evening news said now they are actually looking whether the cost to dismantle the rail will be cheaper than to finish.  Some say it will cost the same, $3B to complete or dismantle so may as well finish.  On the other hand, the UH Professor P??   (don't know how to spell his name) says it take way more than $3B to take it to Ala Moana.  I say just leave it unfinished as is.  Then our future generations can look at it and remember to count the cost before starting any project.

More BS, pro rail, "might as well finish it" propoganda. 

Don't we find it ironic that they are saying it will cost the same 3B to scrap it as it will cost to finish it.  They didn't come up with number and that lie arbitrarily.  They want people to keep the gravy train going, "might as well finish it".  If it has cost them about 500 million dollars per mile, how much more will that actually cost to finish it all the way?  Sure as hell ain't gonna be 3 billion as once they hit town area's that is where the real expenses are going to kick in.  They are so full of crap and they are counting on everyone being stupid enough to go along with it.  The rail is going to get waaay more expensive per mile than what it is now, or what they are telling everyone.   

We're the laughing stock of the world when it comes to a mass transit system.  And you know who's laughing the most.  Those getting PAID ridiculous amounts of money and lining their fleeced pockets. 

We are never going to see $10B in benefit from the rail, no matter what you try to say.  And $10B is just the most recent estimate. 

The anticipated ridership won't be able to sustain operational costs.  More taxes to continue paying for it.

You don't seem to have much understanding of the value of money, today and in the future, and how to do a cost-benefit analysis.  Otherwise, you'd never make ignorant comments like "Cause this is going to hopefully help you in the end."

That's fine with me.  There are things I'm willing to pay for that are not profitable.  Its a convenience perk.

That's fine with me.  There are things I'm willing to pay for that are not profitable.  Its a convenience perk.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.  It's not just YOU paying.  It's all tax payers, our children and their children paying.  You really don't know how stripping $10+ billion dollars from that many people's wallets will effect individuals and families, businesses and so forth.

I'm starting to believe you work for HART.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.  It's not just YOU paying.  It's all tax payers, our children and their children paying.  You really don't know how stripping $10+ billion dollars from that many people's wallets will effect individuals and families, businesses and so forth.

I'm starting to believe you work for HART.

Flapp, the guy is a selfish, self centered little brat. He only cares about how it effects himself and doesn't care how the higher taxes and looming debt will hurt the poor, the retirees and less fortunate that live here and are just trying to get by. His post was all about him. Hell, all of his posts have been all about himself. I am sure he already has a plan in place to move to the mainland somewhere in case his own financial situation turns to shit. It is people like Omni that voted for this debacle and continue to support it even when faced with the potential financial ruin for the C&C, state and those who are living here. The bad part here is when the truth/reality finally comes out many years from now, he is not smart enough to put two and two together to realize he had a hand in it. And if he is that smart, he won't care. JMHO